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From: RonO <rokimoto557@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: California dairy workers infected by H5N1
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2024 18:37:21 -0500
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On 10/8/2024 8:38 PM, RonO wrote:
> On 10/8/2024 2:34 PM, RonO wrote:
>> On 10/6/2024 12:28 PM, RonO wrote:
>>> On 10/4/2024 11:39 AM, RonO wrote:
>>>> On 10/4/2024 10:41 AM, RonO wrote:
>>>>> On 10/4/2024 8:25 AM, RonO wrote:
>>>>>> https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/california-dairy-workers- 
>>>>>> infected- bird-flu-latest-human-114482799
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Two California dairy workers have been confirmed to have been 
>>>>>> infected by the H5N1 dairy virus.  Both were dairy workers.  It 
>>>>>> was expected because California has had the highest herd detection 
>>>>>> rate because they have been tracking dairy worker contacts from 
>>>>>> infected herds, and have been identifying infected herds before 
>>>>>> the dairy farmers had detected symptoms.  It has been likely that 
>>>>>> dairy workers were spreading the virus to poultry farms since the 
>>>>>> beginnings in Texas. The virus only is infectious off clothing or 
>>>>>> skin for less than 30 minutes, and they knew that poultry farms 
>>>>>> and states like Kansas did not get infected cattle. Infected dairy 
>>>>>> workers have likely been spreading the virus from the beginning.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> California was not testing the dairy workers, they were only 
>>>>>> tracking their contacts.  These two had the eye infection 
>>>>>> symptoms, and were tested.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The CDC is still claiming the danger of human to human infection 
>>>>>> is low, but the more herds infected the more humans will be 
>>>>>> infected, and the greater the chance that the virus will mutate 
>>>>>> into something much worse.   They are claiming that this isn't 
>>>>>> evidence for person to person transmission, but that isn't the 
>>>>>> major issue with infected herds.  It is the virus evolving to 
>>>>>> better infect humans that is the issue that they should be trying 
>>>>>> to control, and the CDC refuses to do anything about that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> California is trying to detect all the infected herds as quickly 
>>>>>> as possible, and they are using possible human transmission to 
>>>>>> other farms to do it, and it is obviously working.  Over 50 herds 
>>>>>> have been detected nearly all in the last couple weeks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ron Okimoto
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The Asian strain of H5N1 killed dozens of big cats at two zoos in 
>>>>> Vietnam.  47 tigers, 3 lions and 1 panther died.  The dairy H5N1 is 
>>>>> a recombinant virus and half of it's genome is from a North 
>>>>> American strain of Avian influenza, but it still is lethal to 
>>>>> cats.  In the US the cats have been dying of brain infections.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/dozens-zoo-tigers-die- 
>>>>> after- contracting-bird-flu-114490246
>>>>>
>>>>> Ron Okimoto
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2024/s1003-birdflu-case- 
>>>> california.html
>>>>
>>>> The CDC is still claiming that human infections are rare, but that 
>>>> likely was never the case.  The CDC still has tested less than 250 
>>>> people when thousands have been in contact with infected cattle or 
>>>> close contacts of dairy workers.  My take is that the spread from 
>>>> herd to herd and poultry farms can be explained by an infection rate 
>>>> of around than 5% among dairy workers, but the Colorado poultry 
>>>> workers (6 of them) were infected at the same farm dealing with the 
>>>> dairy virus infecting a layer flock.  These poultry workers were 
>>>> wearing protective gear, but it wasn't enough.  The dairy virus 
>>>> seems to infect the patients eyes, so you pretty much need to wear a 
>>>> gas mask like face protector to keep from getting infected.
>>>>
>>>> As stupid as it may be the CDC is still advising people to wear 
>>>> protective equipment when dealing with infected animals, but they 
>>>> refuse to identify all the infected herds so that the people will 
>>>> know when they should wear the protective gear.
>>>>
>>>> The CDC is really supporting their failing program, and refuse to 
>>>> admit that they have been wrong for months.  They never started 
>>>> contact tracing, and testing dairy workers.  They never attempted to 
>>>> identify all the infected herds even though their advice to dairy 
>>>> workers about wearing protective gear depended on identifying 
>>>> infected herds. California has demonstrated that contact tracing 
>>>> works in detecting infected herds even if the dairy workers are not 
>>>> tested. They have known that more states had infected herds, but 
>>>> refused to start testing in those states.  It has been obvious since 
>>>> May that Florida had infected herds.  Positive dairy products were 
>>>> produced in Florida (FDA testing) even though Florida is several 
>>>> states away from Carolina and Texas (states known to have infected 
>>>> herds) and the CDC's own waste water data indicated that some 
>>>> Florida counties had exceptionally high levels of influenza in their 
>>>> waste water.  No one went to those counties to test the dairies, nor 
>>>> track back the milk source of the positive dairy plant that produced 
>>>> the positive dairy products.  Dairy workers have been exposed to the 
>>>> virus in Florida, at least, since May and they are not testing, nor 
>>>> are they requiring protective gear to protect the dairy workers from 
>>>> being infected. Florida is just one of the states that has not 
>>>> admitted to having infected herds at this time.
>>>>
>>>> Ron Okimoto
>>>>
>>>
>>> https://abcnews.go.com/Health/us-72m-vaccine-manufacturers-advance- 
>>> bird- flu-shot/story?id=114502971
>>>
>>> The US is putting 72 million into getting pharm companies started in 
>>> producing a flu vaccine that includes H5.  The latest Missouri case 
>>> indicates that this is wasted money.  That patient had an H5 gene 
>>> with 2 amino acid substitutions in it that supposedly reduces 
>>> neutralizing ability of H5 antigens 10 to 100 fold.  The CDC is 
>>> currently allowing the virus to spread among dairy cattle and dairy 
>>> workers, and the virus is obviously mutating.  What we will need is a 
>>> vaccine that works against the version of the virus that eventually 
>>> adapts to better infect humans.
>>>
>>> They should have been identifying all the infected herds and trying 
>>> to limit the spread of the virus from the beginning.  California 
>>> indicates that contact tracing dairy workers even without testing 
>>> them can identify infected herds, but the CDC never started contact 
>>> tracing, nor a testing program for dairy workers.  Infected dairy 
>>> workers have likely been the primary vector for spreading the dairy 
>>> virus to other herds and poultry farms.  As the virus spread it 
>>> mutates, so any attempt to make a vaccine at this time will likely 
>>> fall short of making an effective vaccine against what will 
>>> eventually become the next pandemic virus.
>>>
>>> Really, only two herds in Michigan got infected cattle from Texas, 
>>> and it was likely spread to multiple counties and dozens of herds by 
>>> dairy workers.  The Michigan survey of dairy workers told them that 
>>> it was common for dairy workers to work at more than one dairy farm, 
>>> and some of them worked at poultry farms.  Michigan lost several very 
>>> large flocks of layers to the dairy virus, and dairy workers likely 
>>> infected the first flock while the other flocks shared poultry workers.
>>>
>>> Ron Okimoto
>>>
>>
>> Second attempt to send:
>>
>> https://www.cnn.com/2024/10/08/health/bird-flu-california-dairy-farms/ 
>> index.html
>>
>> A third dairy worker in California is believed to have been infected 
>> by the dairy virus.  The CDC is obfuscating the issue instead of deal 
>> with the fact that dairy worker infections have likely always been 
>> more common than they have detected because they never bothered to 
>> test the workers like they have been doing in California.
>>
>> A Brown University pandemic specialist is claiming that dairy worker 
>> infections are more of a problem than the CDC is claiming, and that 
>> more should be done to prevent dairy worker infections, but the CDC 
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