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From: Jos Boersema <Josjoha@market.socialism.nl>
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Subject: Israel is an unredeemable mess. Teshuva ? Torah economy ? Nope.
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2024 18:06:18 -0000 (UTC)
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title: The Final Cry of Yom Kippur
link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3iBrtojemug
source: Rabbi Isser Z Weisberg

  Reply: 

I don't think it is "ok" anymore, the way it used to be "ok" for Jewish
people to not be what they are supposed to be, because history continues
and technologies get developed. While heaven can wait forever, humanity
cannot and will not. The bombs are too big already, soon we will have
robotic warfare of autonomous systems and so many other extraordinary
technologies above all the amazing things which already exist. All this
power is in the hands of criminals, because humanity is not good enough,
and also because Israel has failed her duty to give the example. The
consequence at some point is going to be high technological Dystopian
Tyranny. It will be Hitler and Stalin, with everything from nukes
(giga weapons) to bio weapons (nano weapons) to robotic weapons of all
shapes and sizes, plus a weaponized infrastructure and an all consuming
surveilance system, and that is only what we know for sure because it
already exists. Time is up. It also happens to be the year 6.005, from
tomorrow (430 years in Egypt).

I thought I take the opportunity to give my verdict on Israel. No
Redemption, and the main reason is lying about the Torah. I imagine
someone reading this getting upset: _oh, we don't even read the text when
someone accuses our Rabbis of saying they are lying, because it is rude._
Fine with me, you do not belong in the Redemption then, either. I say it
how it is, but i don't lift a finger against a Jew - on the contrary. Was
Moshe Rabbeinu always "nice and smiley", how did HKB'H deal with the
traitors during the escape from Egypt. Answer: they where killed. Okay
? Remember how the Levite (if I recall) drilled a spear through a man and
woman at the same time, for their fornication and their disloyalty ? So,
don't be upset when I call lies what they are: lies, and Jewish people
and their Rabbis if I call you liars, for being liars about the Torah,
because lies are lies, and you have lied. I do not see how a lying people
can be Redeemed, in any way (I mean, under any system of righteous law).

Rambam Shemita 10:8. Repentance ? Nope, nothing. Israel keeps lying. This
is the overthrow of the Yovel year. Yes ,they just ruined that, and they
don't even think twice about it. Shocking, reprehensible. Why am I even
still writing to these people ?! I don't know, I keep hope against hope
that they will do Teshuvah. With _they_ I mean especially the Rabbis,
all of them.

Prozbul. Repentance ? Nope, nothing. This is the overthrow of the 7th
year debt cancellation for the Jewish poor.

Heter iska. Repentance ? Nope, nothing. This is the overthrow of the
prohibition on rent seeking on loans to another Jew.

Fake day ending to facilitate Shabbat breaking for everyone in the
evening. A day goes from night sleep to night sleep. Repentance ? Nope,
nothing.

You should notice a common thread in all these Rabbinical lies: it is
the economy. It is about money. It is in the interest of the _rich and
greedy_ to overthrow specifically this part of the Torah, so they can
keep their money for themselves. It is neither a mistake that all these
laws have been overthrown by the Rabbis and Israel, and also that I
complain about it as a group of laws, because I care about poverty and
war the most. Those forms of suffering need to be stopped, at least for
the most part.

Go cry at the 'Western wall', go say 'brachas' (blessings) every other
breath, give your charity freely, wear whatever you want or put down laws
that nobody can choose anymore what they can wear: the _rich and greedy_
don't care too much about all this. Go build yourself two kitchens to
impress the neighbors, leave a part of your house wall unfinished, it
doesn't matter to the rich. Better yet, go do that and do it double,
do it is much as you can, and other things too ... just _don't touch
their money._ Go wear a box on your head and call yourself holy, that's
wonderful as far as the _rich & greedy_ are concerned. What is it to
them ? They aren't paying for it, and even if they must, it's just one
minor trinket on a lifetime.

Being forced to make loans to the poor, loans which will unlikely be paid
back ... not being allowed to run gambling games with loans against other
Jews .... not working your servants or cattle for a whole day ... or the
worst of the worst of it all: not being allowed to buy and own all the
land that there is ... those are issues close at heart to the _rich &
greedy,_ that is touching on their wealth, their power. That is a balance
and safety in the economy they don't need.

This is how it came to be, that the Rabbis serve the rich, and they
hold all kinds of beautiful stories about the Torah or its laws, but
at the end of the day, the _rich & greedy_ get a pass to do what they
want. The poor go without the help they are entitled to, the _rich &
greedy_ come to own everything, and then we have "Rebbes" who even dare
say that the Redemption won't change much of anything for these _rich &
greedy_ people, but we will see "the godliness in everything". Yeah,
you think so, nothing much is supposed to change ? Fine, then you have
what you want already, and you can fantasize whatever fake god you see
in everything, because you are not listening to what HKB'H told Moshe
Rabbeinu to tell you. That God, is not the God you are listening to.

You are a traitorous and hard necked people, who think you can just
make up law as you see fit. If only you where honest about that, but
you are not. No repentance, only hard neck, the weapon of silence, not
listening to arguments. Therefore: no Redemption. I think no Redemption
is possible with this mess that is Israel. Since time is up, heaven is
going to likely have to force the issue, just as "the autists" have said.

So, there will be an end to the patience, in a sense at least, because
time is up. The other option is to destroy the whole world, andh start
from scratch somewhere in the stone age. To basically reset time to, say,
the year 500 (Jewish count), and do the whole thing all over again. You
may want to realize that to do that, _also_ requires the death of almost
everyone on Earth.

Hence the way I see it: the plan to destroy humanity entirely until
the last two or few persons (a few thousands is probably enough to
end almost all technology beyond the Stone Age) is already essentially
on. That is the deeper direction, because the alternative to that is high
technological hell Dystopia forever, which (incidentally) will _also_
kill the vast majority of mankind (the criminals already let that be
known, that this is their plan). What you then get is: while humanity
is slowly but surely destroyed step by step, it becomes a plan within
that broader plan to try to force Israel to return to the Torah and -
basically - safe humanity from being put back in the Stone Age with
a total world population of (say) 1 million scattered in small bands
(purely hypothetical number). If Israel does Teshuvah within this broader
destruction of humanity, then from that time on it becomes a possibility
that humanity can stabilize itself with its own technology, and make a
good success out of that (meaning: Peace & Justice, forever). If Israel
decides to continue to lie to the bitter end (as they do now), the whole
thing goes back to the Stone Age, Israel included, or worse (or high
technological Tyranny forever, but I hope that will be blocked by heaven).

Also this high technological Dystopian hell world may come about to
a degree, to show humanity that there is no future for war and evil,
and then still hope humans will decide to be good, and then if they
choose that after all, they can still succeed. If they refuse to learn,
then eventually it all goes down the toilet and back to the Stone Age
(if we are lucky). Needless to say, all this death and destruction easily
encompasses the second holocaust for Israel, 7 times worse than the Nazis,
as the punishment section of the Torah already warned.

After such a punishment, there may be time for another period of some
stability, so that Israel can think things over, when 95% to 99% of
their population has died. Perhaps they will become honest after that,
and after a time of crying, just as they had after World War 2, which was
apparently not enough suffering to make Israel and her Rabbis stop lying
about the Torah. The lies just keep going, as if nothing is wrong. Then
when this time period has been wasted, as Israel has done for the most
part and essentially after World War 2, then the round of punishment
after that would be 49 Nazi holocausts in one event, and that is so much
death that you are probably back in the Stone Agen when it is over.

This is how I see it. I don't say that it has to happen, but this is
the logic of the situation as far as I can see. I also see an Israel who
pretends to have no clue about that they are lying and how dishonorable
and deceptive they are, and what a liars these Rabbis are with their
fake Rambam. If someone cannot work up the necessary anger when they
see these lies by the Rabbis, I question that as a sign that you do not
belong in a righteous Nation and that you cannot live in Redeemed Israel,
at all. You would be a liability, because you just don't care. That's
fine, you do your thing, and leave those who want to be honest to do
their thing. Go back to Egypt, and finish those 400 - 210 years which
you are saying have not yet been fulfilled. Sounds fair ?

"Wie niet horen wil, moet voelen." I am sorry for you Israel, that you
let it come to this, with your pride & your hard neck, your greed and
your dishonesty, your little games around the law, and your pretence
that you are too silly & dumb to understand what is going on. If you
don't understand it, then work on it, start immideately. Ohhh now I get
it ... you thought the prophets would never come true, right ? Sorry but,
I think it will all come true, down to the last letter (God willing). You
realize how far you fell, that you no longer have prophets. Rabbis are
not prophets. You are too dishonest to have prophets, because _you kill
them_ and you ignore them. There is a power structure in place, which
kills prophets. Think about that. That is why you have no prophets,
I guess they saw it coming and they closed the book on you. This is in
what kind of chaos and mess you are, Israel. Deal with it.

 * End reply. (Had to be shortened for youtube.)

[Continuing on Usenet.] 

The risks for the coming period are high. The Fascist Trump is probably
going to win the USA elections, and then there is this "Project 2025" to
be implemented, which is a purge of the US Government in general from
more ordinary elements (citizens) toward far right loyalists and the
like.

The war in Ukraine continues on a path of longer term escalation, as the
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