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Path: ...!2.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> Newsgroups: comp.arch Subject: Re: core memory, Historical evolution of CPU perf Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2024 16:36:18 -0700 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 27 Message-ID: <veccpj$3rfre$1@dont-email.me> References: <jwvh69l6zms.fsf-monnier+comp.arch@gnu.org> <1fd00af7b706a22d8e588cef3be10a6b@www.novabbs.org> <ve9rdc$3bqg4$1@dont-email.me> <veam42$3i733$1@dont-email.me> <vebuur$2cvr$1@gal.iecc.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2024 01:36:19 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="202e4e8689c041d39c2353ca7871dc42"; logging-data="4046702"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/I7mCja5346ixv0iHnWZREnQCwSNBVC3k=" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:nAt6l5yLlWO/LQpmiZeZKZlbGLg= In-Reply-To: <vebuur$2cvr$1@gal.iecc.com> Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 2349 On 10/11/2024 12:40 PM, John Levine wrote: > According to BGB <cr88192@gmail.com>: >>>> We used the 11/20 as a remote debug device for the 8085 cash >>>> register machine(s) we were building. >>> >>> Core memory: slow to access but also slow to forget. >> >> Core memory was before my time, but I remember reading somewhere that it >> needed to be preheated to a certain operating temperature in order to >> write to it (because the hysteresis energy of the ferrite rings was >> temperature dependent, and it needed too much power to flip the bits at >> lower temperatures). > > The memory for the IBM 7090 in the late 1950s was in a heated oil bath > but they soon figured out how to make core work at room temperature. > On the PDP-8 and PDP-11's that I used, the core was in the box with > everything else with no special temperature controls. > And in the late 1960s and early 1970s the Univac 1108s and the IBM S/360 models 30 and 65 that I worked with worked just fine in the typical cooled computer rooms of the day (IIRC high 60s degrees F) -- - Stephen Fuld (e-mail address disguised to prevent spam)