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From: Schlomo Goldberg <schlomo.goldberg@mailinator.com>
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers,comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: The joy of FORTRAN
Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2024 02:35:06 -0000 (UTC)
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Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> writes:

> On Fri, 11 Oct 2024 17:59:46 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>
>> I've always said that computer systems should be ugly and boring: ugly
>> as in not cluttered with eye candy that only gets in the way,
>> and boring as in it Just Works without any unpleasant surprises.
>
> Depends on what you use them for. My smartphone and laptop are “computer 
> systems”, as is the workstation I’m sitting in front of right now. They’re 
> in my face all the time, so I don’t want them to be “ugly and boring”; I 
> want them to be a joy to use.
>
> The servers that I am responsible for run boring Debian Stable 
> installations, but even they are not really ugly (noisy and hot, yes, but 
> that’s another matter); the server makers decided decades ago that they 
> had to hire industrial designers to make their products look at least 
> minimally photogenic, so photos of racks and racks of blinkenlights were 
> actually worth taking, and using to spice up boring articles and 
> presentations, instead of making them even more boring.

IBM mainframes are quite good looking, even though most people working
with them never really see them.

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_Z>