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Path: ...!2.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail From: ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity Subject: Re: Vector notation? Date: 1 Aug 2024 11:13:59 GMT Organization: Stefan Ram Lines: 36 Expires: 1 Jul 2025 11:59:58 GMT Message-ID: <vector-20240801121332@ram.dialup.fu-berlin.de> References: <vector-20240728102344@ram.dialup.fu-berlin.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de znE4CrLNESI3SxmCOSqGOArta9Zhfk2fLeCFu8H9+hXKKO Cancel-Lock: sha1:GWXPE4/kWR/aKZE0ljQRPY57y0k= sha256:RobRi0UQuH8BOjlRMNif7OoTQgXvSeF2L5lpBFjEsJU= X-Copyright: (C) Copyright 2024 Stefan Ram. All rights reserved. Distribution through any means other than regular usenet channels is forbidden. It is forbidden to publish this article in the Web, to change URIs of this article into links, and to transfer the body without this notice, but quotations of parts in other Usenet posts are allowed. X-No-Archive: Yes Archive: no X-No-Archive-Readme: "X-No-Archive" is set, because this prevents some services to mirror the article in the web. But the article may be kept on a Usenet archive server with only NNTP access. X-No-Html: yes Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 2810 ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) wrote or quoted: >When, in (1), both "p" are written exactly the same way, by what >reason then is the first "p" in (2) written as a /row/ vector and >the second "p" a /column/ vector? In the meantime, I found the answer to my question reading a text by Viktor T. Toth. Many Textbooks say, ( -1 0 0 0 ) eta_{mu nu} = ( 0 1 0 0 ) ( 0 0 1 0 ) ( 0 0 0 1 ), but when you multiply this by a column (contravariant) vector, you get another column (contravariant) vector instead of a row, while the "v_mu" in eta_{mu nu} v^nu = v_mu seems to indicate that you will get a row (covariant) vector! As Viktor T. Toth observed in 2005, a square matrix (i.e., a row of columns) only really makes sense for eta^mu_nu (which is just the identity matrix). He then clear-sightedly explains that a matrix with /two/ covariant indices needs to be written not as a /row of columns/ but as a /row of rows/: eta_{mu nu} = [( -1 0 0 0 )( 0 1 0 0 )( 0 0 1 0 )( 0 0 0 1 )] . Now, if one multiplies /this/ with a column (contravariant) vector, one gets a row (covariant) vector (tweaking the rules for matrix multiplication a bit by using scalar multiplication for the product of the row ( -1 0 0 0 ) with the first row of the column vector [which first row is a single value] and so on)!