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From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: Three days from now is the two year anniversary of Ben's
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Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2024 07:39:52 -0500
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On 10/11/2024 10:13 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
> On 10/11/24 8:05 PM, olcott wrote:
>> On 10/11/2024 6:40 PM, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
>>> André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> writes:
>>>
>>>> On 2024-10-08 07:09, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>> On 10/8/24 8:49 AM, Andy Walker wrote:
>>>>>> ... after a short break.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>       Richard -- no-one sane carries on an extended discussion with
>>>>>> someone they [claim to] consider a "stupid liar".  So which are you?
>>>>>> Not sane?  Or stupid enough to try to score points off someone who is
>>>>>> incapable of conceding them?  Or lying when you describe Peter?  You
>>>>>> must surely have better things to do.  Meanwhile, you surely noticed
>>>>>> that Peter is running rings around you.
>>>>> In other words, you don't understand the concept of defense of the 
>>>>> truth.
>>>>
>>>> Defence of the truth for whose sake?
>>>>
>>>> Nobody who matters takes Olcott seriously. There's no reason to 
>>>> defend 'the
>>>> truth' from him.
>>>
>>> Quite.  But, worse, I think "defending the truth" is actually
>>> "perpetuating the falsehoods" because PO posts simply in order to get
>>> attention.  I suspect he has severe NPD -- his self-worth is entirely
>>> determined up by the merit of the people he can engage with.  If people
>>> stopped replying he'd stop posting. Sure, there would be an "extinction
>>> burst" of insults and goading posts to try to get a response, but if
>>> everyone held firm he'd have to go someone else for the fix.
>>>
>>
>> On 10/14/2022 7:44 PM, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
>>  > I don't think that is the shell game.  PO really /has/ an H
>>  > (it's trivial to do for this one case) that correctly determines
>>  > that P(P) *would* never stop running *unless* aborted.
>>
>> Thus when H is an emulating termination analyzer that reports
>> on whether or not its emulation of its input finite string x86
>> machine code P(P) must be aborted H is unequivocally correct.
>>
>> Whether or not and how this applies to the halting problem
>> with UTM based halt deciders and finite string Turing machine
>> descriptions is another different issue.
>>
> 
> Except that the DEFINITION of the question of whether or not its 
> emulaiton must be aborted is EXACTLY the halting criteria, as, if its 
> input, when completely emulated will reach a final state, with the HHH 
> that it calls doing that the HHH giving the answer does, then that HHH 
> didn't NEED to abort its input, but did so anyway.
> 

ChatGPT explains all of the details of why this is counter-factual.
https://chatgpt.com/share/6709e046-4794-8011-98b7-27066fb49f3e

> Your "logic" of looking at a DIFFERENT DDD that calls a DIFFERENT HHH 
> that doesn't abort just proves you don't know what a program is, because 
> you are just an ignorant fool that chose to not learn what he is talking 
> about.


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