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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@tha.de> Newsgroups: sci.math Subject: Re: How many different unit fractions are lessorequal than all unit fractions? (infinitary) Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2024 19:49:23 +0200 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 32 Message-ID: <veecr3$7rap$1@dont-email.me> References: <vb4rde$22fb4$2@solani.org> <4bc3b086-247a-4547-89cc-1d47f502659d@tha.de> <ve0n4i$1vps$1@news.muc.de> <ve10qb$1p7ge$1@dont-email.me> <ve117p$vob$1@news.muc.de> <ve315q$24f8f$3@dont-email.me> <ve46vu$324$2@news.muc.de> <ve5u2i$2jobg$4@dont-email.me> <ve6329$19d5$1@news.muc.de> <ve64kl$2m0nm$4@dont-email.me> <ve66f3$19d5$2@news.muc.de> <ve683o$6c2o$1@solani.org> <ve6a23$19d5$3@news.muc.de> <ve6c3b$6esq$2@solani.org> <ve6kl1$207d$1@news.muc.de> <ve96jj$38qui$2@dont-email.me> <ve97c7$2f64$1@news.muc.de> <ve97qj$38qui$4@dont-email.me> <3f5fcf13171337f1c3d2ef84cc149be327648451@i2pn2.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2024 19:49:23 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="5c61b1286c9e8512cadc16931fc6eb69"; logging-data="257369"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18Szjf0PmHQLTTc/UkwJwVmBxTV8+i6n7o=" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:dXVZrjDWI1/GruLE7alhDrK1aaI= In-Reply-To: <3f5fcf13171337f1c3d2ef84cc149be327648451@i2pn2.org> Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 3016 On 10.10.2024 21:54, joes wrote: > Am Thu, 10 Oct 2024 20:53:07 +0200 schrieb WM: >> On 10.10.2024 20:45, Alan Mackenzie wrote: >>> WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@tha.de> wrote: >> >>>> If all natnumbers are there and if 2n is greater than n, then the >>>> doubled numbers do not fit into ℕ. >>> For any finite n greater than zero, 2n is greater than n. The same >>> does not hold for infinite n. >> There are no infinite n = natural numbers. > Exactly! There are furthermore no infinite doubles of naturals (2n). But the doubles are larger. Hence after doubling the set has a smaller density and therefore a larger extension on the real line. Hence not all natural numbers have been doubled. > >>>>>> Numbers multiplied by 2 do not remain unchanged. >>>> Either doubling >>>> creates new natural numbers. Then not all have been doubled. Or all >>>> have been doubled, then some products fall outside of ℕ. >>> No. Not even close. >> Deplorable. But note that all natural numbers are finite and follow this >> law: When doubled then 2n > n. If a set of natural numbers is doubled, >> then the results cover a larger set than before.. > Additionally: if n is finite, so is 2n. It cannot go beyond w. Then there is no complete set. The doubling can be repeated and repeated. Always new numbers are created. Potential infinity. Regards, WM >