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On 10/12/2024 3:25 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
> On 10/12/24 1:36 PM, olcott wrote:
>> On 10/12/2024 12:13 PM, joes wrote:
>>> Am Sat, 12 Oct 2024 11:07:29 -0500 schrieb olcott:
>>>> On 10/12/2024 9:43 AM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>> On 10/12/24 6:17 AM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>> On 10/12/2024 3:13 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2024-10-11 21:13:18 +0000, joes said:
>>>>>>>> Am Fri, 11 Oct 2024 12:22:50 -0500 schrieb olcott:
>>>>>>>>> On 10/11/2024 12:11 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 10/11/24 11:06 AM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/11/2024 9:54 AM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/11/24 10:26 AM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/11/2024 8:05 AM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/11/24 8:19 AM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/11/2024 6:04 AM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/10/24 9:57 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/10/2024 8:39 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/10/24 6:19 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/10/2024 2:26 PM, wij wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 2024-10-10 at 17:05 +0000, Alan Mackenzie 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-10-09 19:34:34 +0000, Alan Mackenzie said:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/8/24 8:49 AM, Andy Walker wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As soon you find out that they repeat the same over
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and over, neither correcting their substantial errors
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nor improving their arguments you have read enough.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> olcott deliberately lies (he knows what is told, he
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> choose to distort). olcott
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When the behavior of DDD emulated by HHH is the measure
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> then:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But since it isn't, your whole argument falls apart.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ah a breakthrough.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And an admission that you are just working on a lie.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Perhaps you are unaware of how valid deductive inference
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> works.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deductive_reasoning
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man You can disagree 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the premise to my reasoning is true.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> By changing my premise as the basis of your rebuttal you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> commit the strawman error.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, how do you get from the DEFINITION of Halting being a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> behavior of the actual machine, to something that can be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> talked about by a PARTIAL emulation with a different final
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> behavior.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> My whole point in this thread is that it is incorrect for you
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to say that my reasoning is invalid on the basis that you do
>>>>>>>>>>>>> not agree with one of my premises.
>>>>>>>>>>>> The issue isn't that your premise is "incorrect", but it is
>>>>>>>>>>>> INVALID,
>>>>>>>>>>>> as it is based on the redefinition of fundamental words.
>>>>>>>>>>> Premises cannot be invalid.
>>>>>>>>>> Of course they can be invalid,
>>>>>> It is a type mismatch error. Premises cannot be invalid.
>>>>> So "af;kldsanflksadhtfawieohfnapio" is a valid premise?
>>>> "valid" is a term-of-the-art of deductive logical inference. When the
>>>> subject is deductive logical inference one cannot substitute the common
>>>> meaning for the term-of-the-art meaning.
>>>> This is a fallacy of equivocation error.
>>> So "af;kldsanflksadhtfawieohfnapio" is an invalid premise?
>>>
>>
>> "invalid" referring to a premise within the terms-of-the-art
>> of deductive logical inference is a type mismatch error use
>> of the term.
>>
>> One could correctly say that a premise is untrue because
>> it is gibberish. One can never correctly say that a premise
>> is invalid within the terms-of-the-art.
>>
> 
> No, untrue isn't the normal term of art, except it tri- (or other 
> multi-) valued logics.
> 

Within ordinary deductive logic there seems to be
no such thing as an invalid premise. Mathematical
logic may do this differently.

> You are just showing you don't understand the concepts of the logic 
> system, likely because you stupidly decided to not learn them.
> 
> Self-inflicted ignorance is NOT an excuse.



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