Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail
From: Phillip Frabott <nntp@fulltermprivacy.com>
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence
Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2024 20:48:20 -0400
Organization: A noiseless patient Spider
Lines: 89
Message-ID: <vef5cl$cdhq$1@dont-email.me>
References: <pan$bad8$b677bed3$aca0e5e2$5bb3eab5@linux.rocks>
 <lmjll1Fd52kU2@mid.individual.net>
 <slrnvgb2cp.5v0f.candycanearter07@candydeb.host.invalid>
 <ve4go1$3ra8a$3@dont-email.me>
 <pan$4209e$40d36e28$c8a7c079$163ec1ab@linux.rocks>
 <ve5v74$2ld1n$1@dont-email.me> <ve85ik$muck$1@news1.tnib.de>
 <lmqm77FgsfhU2@mid.individual.net> <ve9cas$39mav$2@dont-email.me>
 <lmr1s2FiegjU5@mid.individual.net> <vee95e$7vmp$3@dont-email.me>
 <7e9ae282-321f-8688-1e0e-3172c67d5f38@example.net>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Injection-Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2024 02:48:21 +0200 (CEST)
Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="4e6b2f9cebaa8c06592435642f14ca3c";
	logging-data="407098"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org";	posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18AgXqU/kONqX8zUU6ST475NvqJtH8CYto="
User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird
Cancel-Lock: sha1:R7I9XM8tZs4HIkH7ULWeAK1+mMw=
In-Reply-To: <7e9ae282-321f-8688-1e0e-3172c67d5f38@example.net>
Content-Language: en-US
Bytes: 5782

On 10/12/2024 16:57, D wrote:
> 
> 
> On Sat, 12 Oct 2024, Phillip Frabott wrote:
> 
>> On 10/10/2024 18:13, rbowman wrote:
>>> On Thu, 10 Oct 2024 16:10:04 -0400, Phillip Frabott wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>> Replacing Ballmer with Nadella seems to have had quite an impact. 
>>>>> Often
>>>>> replacing a CEO is 'meet the new boss, same as the old boss'.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> I'd disagree. I think Nadella is more like Gates then Ballmer. When was
>>>> the last time you saw Nadella run on the stage chanting and raving like
>>>> Ballmer did? :-P
>>>
>>> I think we agree but I phrased my remark badly. Nadella is like 
>>> having an
>>> adult running the company. I'm impressed that he managed to turn the
>>> corporate culture around. Many times the 'new broom' has little effect.
>>>
>>> I don't know how much of that is from Nadella's personal background.
>>> Indian business leaders seem to have a more collaborative, longer term
>>> outlook than happens in the US. Ratan Tata was a good example.
>>>
>>> I'm skeptical about their AI efforts but at this point I think it's
>>> something they have to do to stay in the game. I do hope the ARM
>>> experiment works out better than the previous attempt.
>>
>> You opened the door for the relatedness so I had to take it. But yes, 
>> from a company corporate perspective I'd agree. But I don't trust 
>> Microsoft at all regardless because to me it's all about stealing our 
>> data and spying on us with what we do. And Nadella will do what makes 
>> the company money. So if they have to screw over their customers to 
>> make it so be it. "everyone" (using that loosely) uses Windows so they 
>> can do a lot of things to their customers and get away with it because 
>> they know their customers can't get away from Windows and Microsoft 
>> products. So unfortunately the company's output itself hasn't changed 
>> much.
>>
> 
> That reminds me... today some license term changes from linkedin landed 
> in my inbox, and apparently all your thoughts, texts and data will now 
> be used for linkedin business development, and I assume, AI training.
> 
> But don't worry... linkedin (Microsoft) has _proactively_ added an _opt- 
> out_ button, because obviously adding an opt-in would be way too 
> reactive. ;)
> 
> Fortunately at least this practice is illegal in the EU, so there they 
> cannot do this.

Heh, and opt-out button... This will probably come off conspiratorial 
but... I wouldn't trust that the opt-out button would actually opt you 
out of anything. Since you will never be able to see exactly what 
Microsoft puts into the training set, you'd have no way to prove or 
validate that it actually opted you out.

I don't mean any disrespect in this next part, but it's just my 
thoughts. Yes, EU has laws about it, but here's the thing, first, EU 
would have to prove Microsoft was violating the law, (which Microsoft 
can easily cover up if they wanted to) and second, with a company as 
powerful and profitable as Microsoft is, the fines the EU would impose 
would be a speeding ticket to Microsoft at the end of the day. And if 
Microsoft threatened the EU to pull it's products from the EU, the EU 
would likely back down because, (and you can tell me if I'm wrong here) 
the EU is probably runs Microsoft software in most of it's 
infrastructures, and likely their government as well. It would cost the 
EU a ton of money and resources to move away from Microsoft if that were 
to happen and it's more likely the EU would just back away instead of 
switching to GNU/Linux or something else due to that cost of deployment, 
training, resources, etc. It's not like Facebook or X where it would not 
cause a major disruption like Microsoft would. Microsoft tends to be 
foundational. Facebook and X is just a consumer service in the grand 
scheme of things.

(I am making certain assumptions about the EU and Microsoft software. If 
I'm wrong, then fair enough. But in the US most of our infrastructure 
and government need Windows to function so I just assume the EU is 
similar in that regard).

-- 
Phillip Frabott
----------
- Adam: Is a void really a void if it returns?
- Jack: No, it's just nullspace at that point.
----------