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Path: ...!news.mixmin.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Muttley@DastartdlyHQ.org Newsgroups: comp.unix.shell,comp.unix.programmer,comp.lang.misc Subject: Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2024 08:22:53 -0000 (UTC) Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 26 Message-ID: <veg00t$k32c$1@dont-email.me> References: <uu54la$3su5b$6@dont-email.me> <87edbtz43p.fsf@tudado.org> <0d2cnVzOmbD6f4z7nZ2dnZfqnPudnZ2d@brightview.co.uk> <uusur7$2hm6p$1@dont-email.me> <vdf096$2c9hb$8@dont-email.me> <87a5fdj7f2.fsf@doppelsaurus.mobileactivedefense.com> <ve83q2$33dfe$1@dont-email.me> <87wmighu4i.fsf@doppelsaurus.mobileactivedefense.com> <ve8s6d$3725r$1@dont-email.me> <87o73rj3sr.fsf@doppelsaurus.mobileactivedefense.com> <20241010120827.867@kylheku.com> <87frp3itsk.fsf@doppelsaurus.mobileactivedefense.com> <ve9mrh$3aiao$2@dont-email.me> <87jzee3ded.fsf@doppelsaurus.mobileactivedefense.com> <vebffc$3n6jv$1@dont-email.me> <vec3hi$3q4ms$2@dont-email.me> <vedcp9$3nu6$1@dont-email.me> <veepfs$ao2d$1@dont-email.me> Injection-Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2024 10:22:53 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="2c699ffd671cbe709432fafaa1e21356"; logging-data="658508"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/gH0wzu9omenygVYlyI318" Cancel-Lock: sha1:6yTdcPYabdLQ9Xv1VdMW8I2KQEM= Bytes: 2586 On Sat, 12 Oct 2024 21:25:17 -0000 (UTC) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> boring babbled: >On Sat, 12 Oct 2024 08:42:17 -0000 (UTC), Muttley wrote: > >> Code generated by a compiler does not require an interpreter. > >Something has to implement the rules of the “machine language”. This is >why we use the term “abstract machine”, to avoid having to distinguish >between “hardware” and “software”. > >Think: modern CPUs typically have “microcode” and “firmware” >associated >with them. Are those “hardware” or “software”? Who cares what happens inside the CPU hardware? It could be a group of pixies with abacuses for all the relevance it has to this argument. Standalone binaries contain machine code that can be directly executed by the CPU. >> If you want to go down the reductio ad absurdum route then the electrons >> are interpreters too. > ><https://www.americanscientist.org/article/the-computational-universe> ><https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_physics> Thats heading off into philosphy.