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Path: ...!feeds.phibee-telecom.net!news.mixmin.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: The actual truth is that ... Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2024 08:01:04 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 66 Message-ID: <veggag$lk27$10@dont-email.me> References: <ve39pb$24k00$1@dont-email.me> <ve8289$336c8$1@dont-email.me> <ve91hf$1ab4$1@news.muc.de> <7959253e834d2861b27ab7b3881619c2017e199f.camel@gmail.com> <ve9ju2$3ar6j$1@dont-email.me> <a965e0f825570212334deda4a92cd7489c33c687@i2pn2.org> <vea0mi$3cg0k$2@dont-email.me> <a4d0f7ff8798ce118247147d7d0385028ae44168@i2pn2.org> <veb557$3lbkf$2@dont-email.me> <2e6d8fc76e4e70decca1df44f49b338e61cc557e@i2pn2.org> <vebchp$3m87o$1@dont-email.me> <1071eb58637e27c9b2b99052ddb14701a147d23a@i2pn2.org> <vebeu2$3mp5v$1@dont-email.me> <58fef4e221da8d8bc3c274b9ee4d6b7b5dd82990@i2pn2.org> <vebmta$3nqde$1@dont-email.me> <99541b6e95dc30204bf49057f8f4c4496fbcc3db@i2pn2.org> <vedb3s$3g3a$1@dont-email.me> <vedibm$4891$2@dont-email.me> <72315c1456c399b2121b3fffe90b933be73e39b6@i2pn2.org> <veeh55$8jnq$2@dont-email.me> <0858883d537a7b088992d5eb2e066e13418f3843@i2pn2.org> <veeuje$bf9q$3@dont-email.me> <vefvkj$k1d1$1@dont-email.me> <c118b1b46462de7703f8b4d6b22fe6dac0571070@i2pn2.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2024 15:01:04 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="4dff4ea9256eef2f131620d81ba94869"; logging-data="708679"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+MDMP4W7eJcFFWwwL8g+8l" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:9k0ZpZ2yXXqTKYqBkfXms6XQMo4= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <c118b1b46462de7703f8b4d6b22fe6dac0571070@i2pn2.org> Bytes: 4822 On 10/13/2024 7:48 AM, Richard Damon wrote: > On 10/13/24 4:16 AM, Mikko wrote: >> On 2024-10-12 22:52:30 +0000, olcott said: >> >>> On 10/12/2024 5:12 PM, joes wrote: >>>> Am Sat, 12 Oct 2024 14:03:01 -0500 schrieb olcott: >>>>> On 10/12/2024 9:43 AM, Richard Damon wrote: >>>>>> On 10/12/24 6:17 AM, olcott wrote: >>>>>>> On 10/12/2024 3:13 AM, Mikko wrote: >>>>>>>> On 2024-10-11 21:13:18 +0000, joes said: >>>>>>>>> Am Fri, 11 Oct 2024 12:22:50 -0500 schrieb olcott: >>>>>>>>>> On 10/11/2024 12:11 PM, Richard Damon wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On 10/11/24 11:06 AM, olcott wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/11/2024 9:54 AM, Richard Damon wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/11/24 10:26 AM, olcott wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/11/2024 8:05 AM, Richard Damon wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/11/24 8:19 AM, olcott wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/11/2024 6:04 AM, Richard Damon wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/10/24 9:57 PM, olcott wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/10/2024 8:39 PM, Richard Damon wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/10/24 6:19 PM, olcott wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/10/2024 2:26 PM, wij wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 2024-10-10 at 17:05 +0000, Alan Mackenzie >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> wrote: >>>> >>>>>>> When HHH is an x86 emulation based termination analyzer then each >>>>>>> DDD >>>>>>> emulated by any HHH that it calls never returns. >>>>>> Nope, Even software Engineering treats the funciton HHH as part of >>>>>> the >>>>>> program DDD, and termination analysis as looking at properties of the >>>>>> whole program, not a partial emulation of it. >>>>> So if we ask the exact question can DDD emulated by any HHH reach its >>>>> own return statement they would answer the counter-factual yes? >>>> Yes. DDD reaches it, so a purported simulator should as well. >>>> Therefore HHH is not a simulator. >>>> >>> >>> I tried to tell ChatGPT the same thing several times >>> and it would not accept this. >>> https://chatgpt.com/share/6709e046-4794-8011-98b7-27066fb49f3e >>> >>> Although LLM system are prone to lying: If it told a lie >>> there would be an error that could be found in its reasoning. >> >> Not necessarily in the reasoning. The error could also be in the input >> material. >> > > Right, like you claim that HHH can correctly answer based on its limited > knowledge even if that answer is wrong. > > You TOLD IT that lying was ok. See new post: [ChatGPT refutes the key rebuttal of my work] I only told ChatGPT the source-code for DDD and the design of HHH. You don't want to try to find any mistake that it made because you know that you will lose. -- Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer