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Path: ...!news.mixmin.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: I am claiming that these exact words are necessarily true Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2024 08:17:24 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 55 Message-ID: <vegh94$lk27$13@dont-email.me> References: <vegf4c$lk27$8@dont-email.me> <b736ad53f8783e70e229ff0650d5bc439eaa57ef@i2pn2.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2024 15:17:24 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="4dff4ea9256eef2f131620d81ba94869"; logging-data="708679"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19Q8Bw4g2+zuatkz41u4RvC" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:Y2q8DOTZy/pQwmLuBMpDglo5CJA= In-Reply-To: <b736ad53f8783e70e229ff0650d5bc439eaa57ef@i2pn2.org> Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 2840 On 10/13/2024 8:12 AM, Richard Damon wrote: > On 10/13/24 8:40 AM, olcott wrote: >> I am not and never have been claiming anything >> about incorrect paraphrases of these exact words: >> >> *HHH rejects DDD as non terminating* > > Which judst makes HHH wrong, since DDD will terminate, since that term > applies to the PROGRAM that the input represents., and if HHH rejects > it, it returns to its caller, and thus DDD will halt. > >> >> void DDD() >> { >> HHH(DDD); >> return; >> } >> >> When HHH is an x86 emulation based termination analyzer >> then each DDD emulated by any HHH that it calls never returns. > > The emulation of DDD by HHH never reaches a final state, but it HHH > aborts its emulation and return 0, then the PROGRAM DDD will return. > Rebutting an incorrect paraphrase of my exact words <is> the strawman deception. >> >> Each of the directly executed HHH emulator/analyzers that returns >> 0 correctly reports the above non-terminating behavior of its input. > > No, since termination is a property of the PROGRAM, and not a partial > emuation of it, you answer is proven wrong, and you are guilty of using > unsound logic. > Rebutting an incorrect paraphrase of my exact words <is> the strawman deception. >> >> *Fully operational code is here* >> https://github.com/plolcott/x86utm/blob/master/Halt7.c https:// >> github.com/plolcott/x86utm >> > > Which shows that all those DDD do terminate. > > It also proves you have been lying that your decider is a pure function > and thus nothing you say has any validity. -- Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer