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From: Phillip Frabott <nntp@fulltermprivacy.com>
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Subject: Re: GNOME/Freedesktop/redhat incompetent or malicious influence
Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2024 10:06:28 -0400
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On 10/13/2024 05:59, D wrote:
> 
> 
> On Sat, 12 Oct 2024, Phillip Frabott wrote:
> 
>> On 10/12/2024 16:55, D wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, 12 Oct 2024, Phillip Frabott wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 10/11/2024 04:53, D wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, 11 Oct 2024, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> wrote:
>>>>>>> Rich <rich@example.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>> In comp.os.linux.misc Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> But RedHat, and its lackey Poettering,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You should note that the lackey Poettering is now employed by his
>>>>>>>> original handler when he was employed by RedHat: Microsoft.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lennart_Poettering
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>   Lennart Poettering (born 15 October 1980) is a German software
>>>>>>>>   engineer working for Microsoft ...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Microsoft is putting an awful lot of money into Linux. I consider 
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> a good thing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would prefer a free OS funded by lots of organisations putting a
>>>>>> little money in, rather than relying on a few companies that invest
>>>>>> a lot and whose individual opinions therefore matter. But beggers
>>>>>> can't be choosers (although I can still choose old versions of
>>>>>> Linux, like I'm using now, for some things).
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Microsoft funding something they don't own, usually boils down to:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend,_and_extinguish .
>>>>
>>>> I bothers me how many Linux users want these large corps money in 
>>>> the game. It's dangerous in my opinion because these companies don't 
>>>> have their users best interests at heart at all. And for Microsoft 
>>>> it's all EEE anyways so Microsoft's Money in Linux is very bad news. 
>>>> (yes, pun intended for those who got it).
>>>
>>> I agree completely. That's why linux is becoming less good and more 
>>> political. I've had dealings with the linux foundation, and it was 
>>> all corporate CV stuffing and corporate bullsh*t.
>>>
>>> But, another factor I think, is the age and size of the project. It 
>>> is ossifying. Innovation is slowing down.
>>>
>>> I often wonder if the community oriented people will turn to BSD, or 
>>> if there will be a new kind of "big bang" that will generate 
>>> something new, that will take off with lightning speed?
>>
>> Forgive me, I'm going to make the assumption that when you say Linux, 
>> you are referring to GNU/Linux (Linux just being the kernel).
>>
>> I think the innovation is slowing down because GNU/Linux has finally 
>> caught up to where other operating systems are today. The same could 
>> be said about Windows or MacOS. They really aren't innovating with any 
>> speed either. My biggest thing is that I hope with us at a point now 
>> where we have technological parity with the other OSes, we can start 
>> to see projects finish the 'last mile' of development. Most of the 
>> FOSS/OSS/Freedom Software out there is 80% and they just stop 
>> developing as "good enough". Which it is, but that extra 20% polish 
>> would really create a top notch system that can truly rival and even 
>> overthrow the other operating systems. We should try to shift our 
>> focus on building the software to 100% but finishing that polish 
>> needed for most packages out there.
>>
>> (If you were referring to only the Linux kernel my statement still 
>> applies, just leave the GNU bits of my statement out of it).
>>
> 
> That's a good point. Maybe the OS-level is so mature, that not much 
> remains to be added.
> 
> In terms of desktop, my retired father has happily used linux for 10+ 
> years so I'd argue that given an honest look, the linux desktop is 
> actually far better than any commercial alternatives.
> 
> But, being the tech-optimist that I am, that raises the question, will 
> there be another paradigm shift in OS:s? If so, what could it be?
> 

I would think this would only happen/be necessary if/when a 
technological change in hardware happens that would cause more 
capability beyond the standard scope of what we have now. Remember, the 
OS is just an interface between the hardware below it and the software 
on top of it. It doesn't (and shouldn't) do much more then that. It's 
just an interface and mediator to share 1 piece of hardware with 
multiple pieces of software at the same time. So when you think about 
it, the real question is, what hardware paradigm shift will happen that 
will need the OS to be changed significantly.

> I think a Gibsonian cyberspace is probably not the future.

If that happens, we'll all just hack the Gibson. The police will be on 
us in like, 10 minutes. And if we all do it together we can do it in 5 
minutes, Lord Nikon will safe all our a**es. Lets go shopping!

-- 
Phillip Frabott
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