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Path: eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Cursitor Doom <cd999666@notformail.com> Newsgroups: sci.electronics.design,sci.electronics.repair Subject: Re: Oscillator Distortion Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2024 19:28:33 -0000 (UTC) Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 55 Message-ID: <veh711$ofj1$7@dont-email.me> References: <veguu6$ofj1$3@dont-email.me> <vegv1v$ofj1$4@dont-email.me> <veh1nf$p9u1$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2024 21:28:33 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="55a35ec646eedbfc987c24eb757f565a"; logging-data="802401"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18gCKhBTCW7nOJYxut4uisfzAwGcaxsfrE=" User-Agent: Pan/0.149 (Bellevue; 4c157ba) Cancel-Lock: sha1:ftA1Z6jJwvBuPY7jEyZowmrqbOU= On Sun, 13 Oct 2024 17:58:08 -0000 (UTC), Phil Hobbs wrote: > Cursitor Doom <cd999666@notformail.com> wrote: >> On Sun, 13 Oct 2024 17:10:30 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom wrote: >> >>> Gentlemen, >>> >>> Last week I got an old (1968) pulse generator out of mothballs and >>> managed to get it fully functional again. However, before replacing >>> the case, I (true to form) dropped it on the bench and something on >>> the PCB must have shorted out against the metal tools it fell on, >>> because it no longer works properly. >>> I've found an issue with the principal oscillator. It's generating >>> distorted sine waves. It's a wien bridge type using BJTs as the gain >>> element and fine tungsten filaments as thermistors, so should produce >>> near perfect sine waves before they're chopped and shaped by >>> subsequent circuitry, but since the fall, it's not. >>> >>> Here's the oscillator output: >>> https://disk.yandex.com/i/eKAe95xMsiIvNA >>> >>> I found some weird periodic spikes on the power supply rails in the >>> oscillator stage. They are actually present on the rail, not just >>> picked up by the ground lead of the scope out of the ether, as I used >>> a short ground clip in this instance. I'm not sure if these could >>> cause the distortion or not. >>> [removed] >>> >>> I'm out of ideas. What could cause such distortion if the PS rail >>> isn't responsible? >>> >>> Your pal, >>> >>> CD. >> >> Sorry, the trace of the 'ripple' should have been this link: >> https://disk.yandex.com/i/P7AIraCaJybIMw >> >> > Looks like an AC-coupled square wave with a too-short time constant, > which probably means that either the oscillator gain is running wide > open, or the second stage gain is too high, due e.g. to its feedback > loop being open. > > Is the output amplitude close to the knob setting, or is it way off? That's a bit tricky to ascertain at the moment. I might be able to verify it later. However, I have managed to get the relevant section of the schematic. The supply is just under 12V. The nomenclature is a bit odd. The core of the oscillator is comprised of VT10, VT11 and VT12. All the other stuff beyond those to the right is for shaping and whatnot. https://disk.yandex.com/i/dbsB6wiQMDKtWw