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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Cursitor Doom <cd999666@notformail.com> Newsgroups: sci.electronics.design,sci.electronics.repair Subject: Re: Oscillator Distortion Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2024 23:27:10 -0000 (UTC) Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 54 Message-ID: <vehl0d$runh$1@dont-email.me> References: <veguu6$ofj1$3@dont-email.me> <lgcogjheqi9sq64ro20j6b5e3q76b73d0i@4ax.com> <vehc5f$r0sf$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2024 01:27:10 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="5f6c393dfe1845cd543c444bf252530a"; logging-data="916209"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19PqhgYxulpQRbDFfG5fUrCopxVq421RnE=" User-Agent: Pan/0.149 (Bellevue; 4c157ba) Cancel-Lock: sha1:wpLraUYk1hlJYtusmGp+/LYy4u8= Bytes: 2966 On Sun, 13 Oct 2024 20:56:15 -0000 (UTC), Phil Hobbs wrote: > john larkin <JL@gct.com> wrote: >> On Sun, 13 Oct 2024 17:10:30 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom >> <cd999666@notformail.com> wrote: >> >>> Gentlemen, >>> >>> Last week I got an old (1968) pulse generator out of mothballs and >>> managed to get it fully functional again. However, before replacing >>> the case, I (true to form) dropped it on the bench and something on >>> the PCB must have shorted out against the metal tools it fell on, >>> because it no longer works properly. >>> I've found an issue with the principal oscillator. It's generating >>> distorted sine waves. It's a wien bridge type using BJTs as the gain >>> element and fine tungsten filaments as thermistors, so should produce >>> near perfect sine waves before they're chopped and shaped by >>> subsequent circuitry, but since the fall, it's not. >>> >>> Here's the oscillator output: >>> https://disk.yandex.com/i/eKAe95xMsiIvNA >>> >>> I found some weird periodic spikes on the power supply rails in the >>> oscillator stage. They are actually present on the rail, not just >>> picked up by the ground lead of the scope out of the ether, as I used >>> a short ground clip in this instance. I'm not sure if these could >>> cause the distortion or not. >>> https://disk.yandex.com/i/eKAe95xMsiIvNA >>> >>> I'm out of ideas. What could cause such distortion if the PS rail >>> isn't responsible? >>> >>> Your pal, >>> >>> CD. >>> >>> >> Maybe the light bulb broke. >> >> >> > It would have to have failed short-circuit for the gain to be too high, > and that’s not the usual failure mode. > > Cheers > > Phil Hobbs Anyway, it looks like the gain's too high, then. I don't have access to the generator again for a day or two, but I will focus on that aspect and hope to identify the precise issue through that. Thanks, Phil; you're a pal. ;-) CD