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Path: ...!news.mixmin.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: The actual truth is that ... industry standard stipulative definitions Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2024 07:33:47 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 83 Message-ID: <velnfc$1n3gb$1@dont-email.me> References: <ve39pb$24k00$1@dont-email.me> <a4d0f7ff8798ce118247147d7d0385028ae44168@i2pn2.org> <veb557$3lbkf$2@dont-email.me> <2e6d8fc76e4e70decca1df44f49b338e61cc557e@i2pn2.org> <vebchp$3m87o$1@dont-email.me> <1071eb58637e27c9b2b99052ddb14701a147d23a@i2pn2.org> <vebeu2$3mp5v$1@dont-email.me> <58fef4e221da8d8bc3c274b9ee4d6b7b5dd82990@i2pn2.org> <vebmta$3nqde$1@dont-email.me> <99541b6e95dc30204bf49057f8f4c4496fbcc3db@i2pn2.org> <vedb3s$3g3a$1@dont-email.me> <vedibm$4891$2@dont-email.me> <72315c1456c399b2121b3fffe90b933be73e39b6@i2pn2.org> <vee6s1$7l0f$1@dont-email.me> <1180775691cf24be4a082676bc531877147202e3@i2pn2.org> <veec23$8jnq$1@dont-email.me> <c81fcbf97a35bd428495b0e70f3b54e545e8ae59@i2pn2.org> <vef37r$bknp$2@dont-email.me> <7e79306e9771378b032e6832548eeef7429888c4@i2pn2.org> <veikaf$14fb3$1@dont-email.me> <veipmb$15764$2@dont-email.me> <c56fcfcf793d65bebd7d17db4fccafd1b8dea072@i2pn2.org> <vejfg0$1879f$3@dont-email.me> <velajq$1l69v$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2024 14:33:49 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="6ebbafc8de1d261770d7d4f83dd30cde"; logging-data="1805835"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+RnbgjBRo2NZj1cXM1xnz0" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:cnxZpxwR67o9Zh+nwRm61cxzYQw= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <velajq$1l69v$1@dont-email.me> Bytes: 5036 On 10/15/2024 3:54 AM, Mikko wrote: > On 2024-10-14 16:05:20 +0000, olcott said: > >> A stipulative definition is a type of definition in which >> a new or currently existing term is given a new specific >> meaning for the purposes of argument or discussion in a >> given context. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stipulative_definition >> >> *Disagreeing with a stipulative definition is incorrect* > > The Wikipedia page does not say that. It only says that a stipulative > definition itself cannot be correct. If X cannot be incorrect then disagreeing that X is correct is incorrect. > It says nothing about disagreement. > In particular, one may diagree with the usefulness of a stipulative > definition. > It seems that my reviewers on this forum make being disagreeable a top priority. > The article also says that the scope of a stipulative definition is > restricted to an argument or discussion in given context. Once a stipulated definition is provided by its author it continues to apply to every use of this term when properly qualified. A *non_terminating_C_function* is C a function that cannot possibly reach its own "return" instruction (final state) thus never terminates. A *non_terminating_x86_function* is the same idea applied to x86 functions having "ret" instructions. *non_terminating _behavior* refers to the above definitions. It is stipulated that *correct_x86_emulation* means that a finite string of x86 instructions is emulated according to the semantics of the x86 language beginning with the first bytes of this string. A *correct_x86_emulation* of non-terminating inputs includes at least N steps of *correct_x86_emulation*. DDD *correctly_emulated_by* HHH refers to a *correct_x86_emulation*. This also adds that HHH is emulating itself emulating DDD at least once. void DDD() { HHH(DDD); return; } When HHH is an x86 emulation based termination analyzer then each DDD *correctly_emulated_by* any HHH that it calls never returns. Each of the directly executed HHH emulator/analyzers that returns 0 correctly reports the above *non_terminating _behavior* of its input. < It also > says that a conterargument may use a different stipulative definition > for the same term. > When evaluating the the deductive validity of my reasoning changing the premises is the strawman deception. https://iep.utm.edu/val-snd/ When evaluating the external truth of my stipulated definition premises and thus the soundness of my reasoning one cannot change the subject away from the termination analysis of C functions to the halt deciders of the theory of computation this too is the strawman deception. To the best of my knowledge all of my stipulative definitions are consistent with the terms-of-the-art of the fields of the termination analysis of C functions and x86 emulation. -- Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer