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Path: ...!2.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!feeds.news.ox.ac.uk!news.ox.ac.uk!nntp-feed.chiark.greenend.org.uk!ewrotcd!news.eyrie.org!beagle.ediacara.org!.POSTED.beagle.ediacara.org!not-for-mail From: RonO <rokimoto557@gmail.com> Newsgroups: talk.origins Subject: Re: California dairy workers infected by H5N1 Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2024 11:51:07 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 258 Sender: to%beagle.ediacara.org Approved: moderator@beagle.ediacara.org Message-ID: <vem6hr$1pchk$1@dont-email.me> References: <vdoqcc$7q7e$1@dont-email.me> <vdp2b2$97i3$1@dont-email.me> <vdp5ok$9ji9$1@dont-email.me> <vduhbd$1adk9$1@dont-email.me> <ve41ga$2a0mg$1@dont-email.me> <ve4mqs$2ck3t$1@dont-email.me> <ve9ofe$3b9pp$1@dont-email.me> <veet0q$b9kq$3@dont-email.me> Reply-To: rokimoto557@gmail.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: beagle.ediacara.org; posting-host="beagle.ediacara.org:3.132.105.89"; logging-data="1246"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@beagle.ediacara.org" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird To: talk-origins@moderators.isc.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:FFPntBN5EqNWktXJgvhwkZDa2EQ= Return-Path: <news@eternal-september.org> X-Original-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org Delivered-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org id 6D641229782; Tue, 15 Oct 2024 12:51:15 -0400 (EDT) by beagle.ediacara.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42334229765 for <talk-origins@ediacara.org>; Tue, 15 Oct 2024 12:51:13 -0400 (EDT) id A7E185DC2C; Tue, 15 Oct 2024 16:51:12 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: talk-origins@moderators.isc.org by mod-relay-1.kamens.us (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6500B5DC26 for <talk-origins@moderators.isc.org>; Tue, 15 Oct 2024 16:51:12 +0000 (UTC) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature ECDSA (P-256)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.eternal-september.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B34055F87A for <talk-origins@moderators.isc.org>; Tue, 15 Oct 2024 16:51:08 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: name/B34055F87A; dmarc=fail (p=none dis=none) header.from=gmail.com id 41465DC01A9; Tue, 15 Oct 2024 18:51:08 +0200 (CEST) X-Injection-Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2024 18:51:08 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: <veet0q$b9kq$3@dont-email.me> Content-Language: en-US X-Auth-Sender: U2FsdGVkX19dy3vY9HKuOUDqh34co76o5EA+82+uE1k= FREEMAIL_FORGED_REPLYTO,FREEMAIL_REPLYTO_END_DIGIT, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_BLOCKED,RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_CERTIFIED_BLOCKED, RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_RPBL_BLOCKED,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS,URIBL_BLOCKED, USER_IN_WELCOMELIST,USER_IN_WHITELIST autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.6 smtp.eternal-september.org Bytes: 16656 On 10/12/2024 5:25 PM, RonO wrote: > On 10/10/2024 6:37 PM, RonO wrote: >> On 10/8/2024 8:38 PM, RonO wrote: >>> On 10/8/2024 2:34 PM, RonO wrote: >>>> On 10/6/2024 12:28 PM, RonO wrote: >>>>> On 10/4/2024 11:39 AM, RonO wrote: >>>>>> On 10/4/2024 10:41 AM, RonO wrote: >>>>>>> On 10/4/2024 8:25 AM, RonO wrote: >>>>>>>> https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/california-dairy-workers- >>>>>>>> infected- bird-flu-latest-human-114482799 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Two California dairy workers have been confirmed to have been >>>>>>>> infected by the H5N1 dairy virus. Both were dairy workers. It >>>>>>>> was expected because California has had the highest herd >>>>>>>> detection rate because they have been tracking dairy worker >>>>>>>> contacts from infected herds, and have been identifying infected >>>>>>>> herds before the dairy farmers had detected symptoms. It has >>>>>>>> been likely that dairy workers were spreading the virus to >>>>>>>> poultry farms since the beginnings in Texas. The virus only is >>>>>>>> infectious off clothing or skin for less than 30 minutes, and >>>>>>>> they knew that poultry farms and states like Kansas did not get >>>>>>>> infected cattle. Infected dairy workers have likely been >>>>>>>> spreading the virus from the beginning. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> California was not testing the dairy workers, they were only >>>>>>>> tracking their contacts. These two had the eye infection >>>>>>>> symptoms, and were tested. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The CDC is still claiming the danger of human to human infection >>>>>>>> is low, but the more herds infected the more humans will be >>>>>>>> infected, and the greater the chance that the virus will mutate >>>>>>>> into something much worse. They are claiming that this isn't >>>>>>>> evidence for person to person transmission, but that isn't the >>>>>>>> major issue with infected herds. It is the virus evolving to >>>>>>>> better infect humans that is the issue that they should be >>>>>>>> trying to control, and the CDC refuses to do anything about that. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> California is trying to detect all the infected herds as quickly >>>>>>>> as possible, and they are using possible human transmission to >>>>>>>> other farms to do it, and it is obviously working. Over 50 >>>>>>>> herds have been detected nearly all in the last couple weeks. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Ron Okimoto >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The Asian strain of H5N1 killed dozens of big cats at two zoos in >>>>>>> Vietnam. 47 tigers, 3 lions and 1 panther died. The dairy H5N1 >>>>>>> is a recombinant virus and half of it's genome is from a North >>>>>>> American strain of Avian influenza, but it still is lethal to >>>>>>> cats. In the US the cats have been dying of brain infections. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/dozens-zoo-tigers-die- >>>>>>> after- contracting-bird-flu-114490246 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Ron Okimoto >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2024/s1003-birdflu-case- >>>>>> california.html >>>>>> >>>>>> The CDC is still claiming that human infections are rare, but that >>>>>> likely was never the case. The CDC still has tested less than 250 >>>>>> people when thousands have been in contact with infected cattle or >>>>>> close contacts of dairy workers. My take is that the spread from >>>>>> herd to herd and poultry farms can be explained by an infection >>>>>> rate of around than 5% among dairy workers, but the Colorado >>>>>> poultry workers (6 of them) were infected at the same farm dealing >>>>>> with the dairy virus infecting a layer flock. These poultry >>>>>> workers were wearing protective gear, but it wasn't enough. The >>>>>> dairy virus seems to infect the patients eyes, so you pretty much >>>>>> need to wear a gas mask like face protector to keep from getting >>>>>> infected. >>>>>> >>>>>> As stupid as it may be the CDC is still advising people to wear >>>>>> protective equipment when dealing with infected animals, but they >>>>>> refuse to identify all the infected herds so that the people will >>>>>> know when they should wear the protective gear. >>>>>> >>>>>> The CDC is really supporting their failing program, and refuse to >>>>>> admit that they have been wrong for months. They never started >>>>>> contact tracing, and testing dairy workers. They never attempted >>>>>> to identify all the infected herds even though their advice to >>>>>> dairy workers about wearing protective gear depended on >>>>>> identifying infected herds. California has demonstrated that >>>>>> contact tracing works in detecting infected herds even if the >>>>>> dairy workers are not tested. They have known that more states had >>>>>> infected herds, but refused to start testing in those states. It >>>>>> has been obvious since May that Florida had infected herds. >>>>>> Positive dairy products were produced in Florida (FDA testing) >>>>>> even though Florida is several states away from Carolina and Texas >>>>>> (states known to have infected herds) and the CDC's own waste >>>>>> water data indicated that some Florida counties had exceptionally >>>>>> high levels of influenza in their waste water. No one went to >>>>>> those counties to test the dairies, nor track back the milk source >>>>>> of the positive dairy plant that produced the positive dairy >>>>>> products. Dairy workers have been exposed to the virus in >>>>>> Florida, at least, since May and they are not testing, nor are >>>>>> they requiring protective gear to protect the dairy workers from >>>>>> being infected. Florida is just one of the states that has not >>>>>> admitted to having infected herds at this time. >>>>>> >>>>>> Ron Okimoto >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> https://abcnews.go.com/Health/us-72m-vaccine-manufacturers-advance- >>>>> bird- flu-shot/story?id=114502971 >>>>> >>>>> The US is putting 72 million into getting pharm companies started >>>>> in producing a flu vaccine that includes H5. The latest Missouri >>>>> case indicates that this is wasted money. That patient had an H5 >>>>> gene with 2 amino acid substitutions in it that supposedly reduces >>>>> neutralizing ability of H5 antigens 10 to 100 fold. The CDC is >>>>> currently allowing the virus to spread among dairy cattle and dairy >>>>> workers, and the virus is obviously mutating. What we will need is >>>>> a vaccine that works against the version of the virus that >>>>> eventually adapts to better infect humans. >>>>> >>>>> They should have been identifying all the infected herds and trying >>>>> to limit the spread of the virus from the beginning. California >>>>> indicates that contact tracing dairy workers even without testing >>>>> them can identify infected herds, but the CDC never started contact >>>>> tracing, nor a testing program for dairy workers. Infected dairy >>>>> workers have likely been the primary vector for spreading the dairy >>>>> virus to other herds and poultry farms. As the virus spread it >>>>> mutates, so any attempt to make a vaccine at this time will likely >>>>> fall short of making an effective vaccine against what will >>>>> eventually become the next pandemic virus. >>>>> >>>>> Really, only two herds in Michigan got infected cattle from Texas, >>>>> and it was likely spread to multiple counties and dozens of herds >>>>> by dairy workers. The Michigan survey of dairy workers told them >>>>> that it was common for dairy workers to work at more than one dairy >>>>> farm, and some of them worked at poultry farms. Michigan lost >>>>> several very large flocks of layers to the dairy virus, and dairy >>>>> workers likely infected the first flock while the other flocks >>>>> shared poultry workers. >>>>> >>>>> Ron Okimoto >>>>> >>>> >>>> Second attempt to send: >>>> >>>> https://www.cnn.com/2024/10/08/health/bird-flu-california-dairy- >>>> farms/ index.html >>>> >>>> A third dairy worker in California is believed to have been infected >>>> by the dairy virus. The CDC is obfuscating the issue instead of ========== REMAINDER OF ARTICLE TRUNCATED ==========