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From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: ChatGPT refutes the key rebuttal of my work
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2024 15:01:36 -0500
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On 10/15/2024 2:33 PM, joes wrote:
> Am Tue, 15 Oct 2024 13:25:36 -0500 schrieb olcott:
>> On 10/15/2024 10:17 AM, joes wrote:
>>> Am Tue, 15 Oct 2024 08:11:30 -0500 schrieb olcott:
>>>> On 10/15/2024 6:35 AM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>> On 10/14/24 10:13 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>> On 10/14/2024 6:50 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>> On 10/14/24 11:18 AM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 10/14/2024 7:06 AM, joes wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Am Mon, 14 Oct 2024 04:49:22 -0500 schrieb olcott:
>>>>>>>>>> On 10/14/2024 4:04 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-10-13 12:53:12 +0000, olcott said:
> 
>>>>>> https://chatgpt.com/share/6709e046-4794-8011-98b7-27066fb49f3e When
>>>>>> you click on the link and try to explain how HHH must be wrong when
>>>>>> it reports that DDD does not terminate because DDD does terminate it
>>>>>> will explain your mistake to you.
>>>>> I did that, and it admitted that DDD halts, it just tries to justify
>>>>> why a wrong answer must be right.
>>>> It explains in great detail that another different DDD (same machine
>>>> code different process context) seems to terminate only because the
>>>> recursive emulation that it specifies has been aborted at its second
>>>> recursive call.
>>> Yes! It really has different code, by way of the static Root variable.
>>> No wonder it behaves differently.
>> There are no static root variables. There never has been any "not a pure
>> function of its inputs" aspect to emulation.

> Oh, did you take out the check if HHH is the root simulator?
> 

There is some code that was obsolete several years ago.

>> Every termination analyzer that emulates itself emulating its input has
>> always been a pure function of this input up to the point where
>> emulation stops.

> That point can never come in the complete simulation of a non-
> terminating input, because it is infinite.
> 
You and Richard never seemed to understand this previously.

>>>> You err because you fail to understand how the same C/x86 function
>>>> invoked in a different process context can have different behavior.
>>> Do explain how a pure function can change.
>> Non-terminating C functions do not ever return, thus cannot possibly be
>> pure functions.

> By "pure" I mean having no side effects. You mean total vs. partial.
> 

You may be half right.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pure_function
Only the analyzer must be pure.
The input is free to get stuck in an infinite loop.

>> HHH is a pure function of its input the whole time that it is emulating.
>> DDD has no inputs and is allowed to be any finite string of x86 code.
>> Inputs to HHH are by no means required to ever return AT ALL.

> I thought DDD was fixed to only call HHH(DDD)?
> 

Inputs are not required to be pure functions.

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