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From: RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: A Godfather of AI Just Won a Nobel. He Has Been Warning the
 Machines Could Take Over the World.
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2024 11:36:57 -0000 (UTC)
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On 2024-10-15, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
> Le 2024-10-15 à 02 h 39, RonB a écrit :
>> On 2024-10-15, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>> Le 2024-10-14 à 19 h 01, RonB a écrit :
>>>> On 2024-10-14, Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 2024-10-12, kazu <f00@0f0.00f> wrote:
>>>>>> Borax Man wrote:
>>>>>>> ["Followup-To:" header set to comp.os.linux.advocacy.]
>>>>>>> On 2024-10-12, kazu <f00@0f0.00f> wrote:
>>>>>>>> John Smyth wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 'A Godfather of AI Just Won a Nobel. He Has Been Warning the Machines
>>>>>>>>> Could Take Over the World.'
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> <https://archive.is/VuJ4L#selection-2403.0-2597.172>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 'The newly minted Nobel laureate Geoffrey Hinton has a message about the
>>>>>>>>> artificial-intelligence systems he helped create: get more serious about
>>>>>>>>> safety or they could endanger humanity.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> i am 50-50 on the view that AI will pose a danger to humanity.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> both sides have decent arguments and i cant make up my mind.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't think AI will take over, as it is not really capable of
>>>>>>> out-of-band thinking.  AI cannot solve a problem which hasn't been
>>>>>>> defined.  For example, you can get AI to perhaps streamline a process or
>>>>>>> design, make it more efficient, but it won't come to the realisation
>>>>>>> that the thing you are trying to do, may not be necessary after all.  So
>>>>>>> AI would have to do something it is not capable of at the moment, coming
>>>>>>> to new realisations and acting on that information.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The threat from AI I think is more how we act.  I see a danger where we
>>>>>>> trust AI, and treat it like it is a superintelligence, and we use it as
>>>>>>> a crutch to make desicions, which turn out to be poor, suboptimal
>>>>>>> decisions.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> current models may not be able to, but there is an exponential
>>>>>> curve we are riding.
>>>>>
>>>>> What we have seen is better models because they have more data.  But
>>>>> there is a leap to be made to get them to think out of band.  This is a
>>>>> very different type of program, and now where I think the A.I. path is
>>>>> leading to at the moment.
>>>>>
>>>>> Machines can't think, and programs can't think.
>>>>
>>>> And most of programmers involved with creating AI can't think clearly either
>>>> (or at least they're pushing the agenda of their masters). Garbage in,
>>>> garbage out. (Remember when Google had to pull part of their AI imaging
>>>> because it was so DEI that it was completely incapable of producing white
>>>> Nazis or Vikings.) That's how AI "works" when it's programmed by the Woke.
>>>
>>> The sad part is that Debian seems to be going in that direction too.
>>> Lunduke just revealed it today. Regardless of their code of conduct,
>>> paid internship offers for Debian are asking Whites and Asians not to
>>> apply. Strangely, Ubuntu, of all distributions, seems to be one of the
>>> least woke.
>> 
>> I don't know where Linux Mint stands here. But it shouldn't be too surprising
>> that Ubuntu is less Woke. For one, they're a company that's trying to earn a
>> profit and, two, they're not a U.S. based company. South Africa doesn't seem
>> too keen on the Woke crap. At least they're independent of the U.S. and
>> Europe in several areas. And they are part of BRICS.
>
> Those last three were selling points when I was looking for the right 
> distribution. I've come to terms with the fact that my experience in 
> Linux is not likely to be stellar at all times, but I want to be as 
> self-sufficient as possible and Windows doesn't factor into that 
> equation. Right now, Kubuntu 24.04 is doing the job. I'll probably have 
> a few freezes here and there, but so far I can enable S3 on my machine 
> and _not_ have it use a ridiculous amount of battery power upon wake 
> unlike Windows, I am completely rid of Edge, I don't need to run an 
> application at all times just to limit my battery charge, the game I 
> play the most runs beautifully, I can easily split screen for use in the 
> class, etc.. If I don't want to be spied on, want to keep my machine for 
> near a decade and don't want to crash on simple things like opening an 
> image file, Linux will be fine.
>
> I'm crossing fingers that I don't go nuts in the next few weeks.

Good luck. I realize that game playing (and game machines) makes Linux more 
difficult to use.

-- 
“Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy 
what has been invented or made by the forces of good.”  —J.R.R. Tolkien