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Path: ...!2.eu.feeder.erje.net!3.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: ChatGPT refutes the key rebuttal of my work Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2024 11:39:38 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 59 Message-ID: <veoq8a$29dtl$5@dont-email.me> References: <vegfro$lk27$9@dont-email.me> <veimqs$14que$1@dont-email.me> <veipf3$15764$1@dont-email.me> <36ecdefcca730806c7bd9ec03e326fac1a9c8464@i2pn2.org> <vejcoj$1879f$1@dont-email.me> <vel9ct$1l118$1@dont-email.me> <velorl$1n3gb$5@dont-email.me> <veopa8$2ameu$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2024 18:39:38 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="f097d53e4abea8ea9babea4b430282e3"; logging-data="2406325"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/XP1hFPhQA41Ruo7iQAdbI" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:HkzsIFJDkpZpo5wkGhkgipbgsW4= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <veopa8$2ameu$1@dont-email.me> Bytes: 3408 On 10/16/2024 11:23 AM, Mikko wrote: > On 2024-10-15 12:57:25 +0000, olcott said: > >> On 10/15/2024 3:33 AM, Mikko wrote: >>> On 2024-10-14 15:18:43 +0000, olcott said: >>> >>>> On 10/14/2024 7:06 AM, joes wrote: >>>>> Am Mon, 14 Oct 2024 04:49:22 -0500 schrieb olcott: >>>>>> On 10/14/2024 4:04 AM, Mikko wrote: >>>>>>> On 2024-10-13 12:53:12 +0000, olcott said: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Although it is possible for LLM systems to lie: >>>>> >>>>>>>> ChatGPT does correctly apply truth preserving operations to the >>>>>>>> premises that it was provided regarding the behavior of DDD and >>>>>>>> HHH. >>>>>>>> *Try to find a mistake in its reasoning* >>>>>>> >>>>>>> No reasoning shown. >>>>>>> >>>>>> https://chatgpt.com/share/6709e046-4794-8011-98b7-27066fb49f3e >>>>>> When you click on the link and try to explain how HHH must be >>>>>> wrong when >>>>>> it reports that DDD does not terminate because DDD does terminate it >>>>>> will explain your mistake to you. >>>>> It is nonsensical for HHH not to report that DDD terminates. >>>>> >>>> The explanation is quite good. I will take what you said >>>> to mean that it was over your head or didn't bother to >>>> look at it. >>>> >>>> You never confirmed that you even know what infinite >>>> recursion is. >>> >>> Could you confirm that you know whether there is an infinite recursion >>> in DDD? >>> >> >> Recursive emulation is isomorphic to recursion. >> >> The following is to be understood only within my >> stipulative definitions of terms provided in my first >> reply to you today. >> >> Recursive emulation that does not have a termination >> condition within the c function under test is infinite. >> >> This refers to my stipulative definition of terms >> provided in my first reply to you. To the best of my >> knowledge these definitions are also industry standard. > > This can be interpreted as an overly verbose 'No'. > I will equally say that you are wrong. -- Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer