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Path: ...!2.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!feeds.news.ox.ac.uk!news.ox.ac.uk!nntp-feed.chiark.greenend.org.uk!ewrotcd!news.eyrie.org!beagle.ediacara.org!.POSTED.beagle.ediacara.org!not-for-mail From: RonO <rokimoto557@gmail.com> Newsgroups: talk.origins Subject: Re: CDC November research report on virus viability in pasteurized milk Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2024 07:44:53 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 58 Sender: to%beagle.ediacara.org Approved: moderator@beagle.ediacara.org Message-ID: <ver0s4$2oa7g$1@dont-email.me> References: <ve19d4$1qgcp$1@dont-email.me> <ve6l9j$2obr3$2@dont-email.me> <veof07$28nos$1@dont-email.me> <vephqq$2ele7$3@dont-email.me> Reply-To: rokimoto557@gmail.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: beagle.ediacara.org; posting-host="beagle.ediacara.org:3.132.105.89"; logging-data="67950"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@beagle.ediacara.org" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird To: talk-origins@moderators.isc.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:8kJzd/i3oayvAu8HI5czzXoUE5w= Return-Path: <news@eternal-september.org> X-Original-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org Delivered-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org id 8B1C7229782; Thu, 17 Oct 2024 08:44:58 -0400 (EDT) by beagle.ediacara.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6141A229765 for <talk-origins@ediacara.org>; Thu, 17 Oct 2024 08:44:56 -0400 (EDT) id A21C75DC64; Thu, 17 Oct 2024 12:44:55 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: talk-origins@moderators.isc.org by mod-relay-1.kamens.us (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 809995DC29 for <talk-origins@moderators.isc.org>; Thu, 17 Oct 2024 12:44:55 +0000 (UTC) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature ECDSA (P-256) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.eternal-september.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 749F65F870 for <talk-origins@moderators.isc.org>; Thu, 17 Oct 2024 12:44:53 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: name/749F65F870; dmarc=fail (p=none dis=none) header.from=gmail.com id F3A08DC01A9; Thu, 17 Oct 2024 14:44:52 +0200 (CEST) X-Injection-Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2024 14:44:52 +0200 (CEST) X-Auth-Sender: U2FsdGVkX18DCH74B0lGWO0aeSwWDnmDvYNMcoRtGFg= In-Reply-To: <vephqq$2ele7$3@dont-email.me> Content-Language: en-US FREEMAIL_FORGED_REPLYTO,FREEMAIL_REPLYTO_END_DIGIT, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_BLOCKED,RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_RPBL_BLOCKED, RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_SAFE_BLOCKED,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS, USER_IN_WELCOMELIST,USER_IN_WHITELIST autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.6 smtp.eternal-september.org Bytes: 5801 On 10/16/2024 6:22 PM, JTEM wrote: > RonO wrote: > >> No news sources are commenting on the CDC findings that > > Get your vaccine and 19 booster shots. > > It's just coincidence that a virus exactly mirrors the > long term policy goals of eliminating beef & dairy from > your diet. Remember of the ABCs of Gwobull Warbling: > > Agree. Believe. Comply. > > "Eat weed & maggot sausage, for the environment!" You do not seem to understand what the situation is. If anything the USDA and CDC are not doing what they should have been doing from the start of this issue because they want to protect the cattle industry. They are doing it at the expense of the poultry industry because there are more votes that need to be considered in the cattle industry than the poultry industry. The price of eggs is going to go up because dairy herds have been infecting layer flocks, probably because they share workers. Some dairy workers and their close contacts work at poultry farms. They do not want to hurt the cattle industry economically, so they have downplayed the situation, and never have determined how bad the situation is (how many states have infected herds and how many infected herds there actually are). They know that the best way to avoid the transition of influenza virus to being pathogenic to humans has been to reduce dairy worker infections, but they never tried to determine how many dairy workers were infected, and have just recommended that dairy workers use protective gear when working with infected animals. They have never tried to identify all the infected herds so the dairy workers would know when they should be using protective gear. Both agencies have just hoped that the virus will burn itself out before it transfers to humans, but California and Colorado indicates that they are very wrong. The latest pasteurization data hasn't been made a big deal of because they do not want to economically damage the dairy industry. The FDA knows that the virus can be found in milk in states that have not reported infected herds, and California indicates that a lot of infected milk is making it into dairy products. They haven't identified all the infected herds yet, and they claim that infected cattle are not allowed to contributed to the milk sold by the dairy, but they have to identify the cows as infected. They need to test every cow at infected dairies, and clear them before they are allowed to contribute to the milk supply. The Texasd data that has been ignored by the CDC and USDA found that even though only 10% of a herd might be showing symptoms 64% of the samples tested from 2 farms were positive for the virus (they claimed to take the samples at random without regard to if the cow was showing symptoms or not), so even if the dairies have been taking out the cows with symptoms, most of the infected cows are still contributing to the milk supply. Most states haven't even tried to identify their infected herds. Ron Okimoto