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Path: ...!news.mixmin.net!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!reader5.news.weretis.net!news.solani.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> Newsgroups: comp.lang.prolog Subject: Re: Decrease Entropy (Was: Alain Colmerauer Prolog Systems Price (Was: The Heat Death of Prolog) Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2024 16:41:45 +0200 Message-ID: <ver7n8$i3as$6@solani.org> References: <veqmkq$hp25$1@solani.org> <veqo4g$hpvv$1@solani.org> <veqqmn$hreh$1@solani.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2024 14:41:44 -0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: solani.org; logging-data="593244"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@news.solani.org" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:91.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/91.0 SeaMonkey/2.53.19 Cancel-Lock: sha1:+zlYpK1qshekco8bi6II+5elXN0= X-User-ID: eJwFwQcBwDAMAzBKbZ4zOM0xfwiTXONGw8LDnE57ZYvKA1xffKM2wsuPpdx+EO0svIkzwKhOZ1J8i6ck6wdn5BZg In-Reply-To: <veqqmn$hreh$1@solani.org> Bytes: 3669 Lines: 88 Corr.: So how can we decrease entropy in Prolog systems design? Here some bad examples that rather increase entropy: Mild Shock schrieb: > So how can we decrease entropy in Prolog > systems design. Here some examples: > > - Janus nonsense: > Nobody cares about features terms, just > use member(x-V, [x-10,y-20]) (*), nobody needs > a copying foreign function interface. > > - ProB nonsense: > Papers like "Making ProB compatible with > SWI-Prolog" rater point to problems, than > to problem solution pairs. > > (*) Ok, that was sarcasm with a grain of > salt. But its folk knowledge that for for > small size dicts linear search is indeed > on par with binary search. > > Mild Shock schrieb: >> Hi, >> >> The price that nobody needs: >> >> - Alain Colmerauer Prolog Heritage Prize >> recent practical accomplishments that >> highlight the benefits of Prolog-inspired >> computing for the future >> >> - Theresa Swift and Carl Andersen >> Janus nonsense >> >> - Michael Leuschel and STUPS Group >> ProB nonsense >> >> https://logicprogramming.org/alain-colmerauer-prize/ >> >> The price that everybody wants: >> >> - Alain Colmerauer Prolog Systems Price >> For contributions of lasting and major >> technical importance to Prolog Systems >> design. >> >> - Mats Carlsson: SICstus Prolog >> https://www.ri.se/en/person/mats-carlsson >> >> - Jan Wielemaker: SWI Prolog >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jan_Wielemaker >> >> - Ulrich Neumerkel: ISO Standard >> https://informatics.tuwien.ac.at/people/ulrich-neumerkel >> >> - Markus Triska: CLP Integration >> https://www.metalevel.at/ >> >> - Taisuke Sato: Tabulated Resolution >> https://rjida.meijo-u.ac.jp/sato-www/sato/ >> >> Etc.. Etc.. >> >> Bye >> >> Mild Shock schrieb: >>> An increase in entropy indicates greater uncertainty >>> in the implementers's choice of operations, >>> potentially reflecting a decrease of intuition. >>> >>> Maximum entropy occurs when all operations are >>> equally likely, corresponding to a state where >>> the implementer acts randomly due to lack of >>> >>> intuitive guidance. In this framework, we might >>> interpret the "heat death" of Prolog as a state >>> where implementers no longer have effective >>> >>> intuition or insight to guide their work. >>> >>> AI-driven development of Prolog systems >>> https://lims.ac.uk/documents/undefined-10.pdf >> >