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Path: ...!news.roellig-ltd.de!news.mb-net.net!open-news-network.org!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: The actual truth is that ... industry standard stipulative definitions Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2024 11:45:15 +0300 Organization: - Lines: 51 Message-ID: <vevrir$3q82b$1@dont-email.me> References: <ve39pb$24k00$1@dont-email.me> <vebmta$3nqde$1@dont-email.me> <99541b6e95dc30204bf49057f8f4c4496fbcc3db@i2pn2.org> <vedb3s$3g3a$1@dont-email.me> <vedibm$4891$2@dont-email.me> <72315c1456c399b2121b3fffe90b933be73e39b6@i2pn2.org> <vee6s1$7l0f$1@dont-email.me> <1180775691cf24be4a082676bc531877147202e3@i2pn2.org> <veec23$8jnq$1@dont-email.me> <c81fcbf97a35bd428495b0e70f3b54e545e8ae59@i2pn2.org> <vef37r$bknp$2@dont-email.me> <7e79306e9771378b032e6832548eeef7429888c4@i2pn2.org> <veikaf$14fb3$1@dont-email.me> <veipmb$15764$2@dont-email.me> <c56fcfcf793d65bebd7d17db4fccafd1b8dea072@i2pn2.org> <vejfg0$1879f$3@dont-email.me> <bde5947ebdcfb62ecd6e8968052cb3a25c4b1fec@i2pn2.org> <vekfi5$1d7rn$1@dont-email.me> <6d73c2d966d1d04dcef8f7f9e0c849e17bd73352@i2pn2.org> <velnqn$1n3gb$3@dont-email.me> <b06c4952248d83881642c7d84207d3d39c56c59f@i2pn2.org> <vend90$22rqh$1@dont-email.me> <vens4t$250b2$1@dont-email.me> <veos78$29dtl$7@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2024 10:45:15 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="8c75722fbc01ecefa658090e5d4dd316"; logging-data="4005963"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19rE/BWY3fJFK3/pj9dbT58" User-Agent: Unison/2.2 Cancel-Lock: sha1:pE373BLXJGGrgw/jyiFSWfUQghM= Bytes: 3844 On 2024-10-16 17:13:12 +0000, olcott said: > On 10/16/2024 3:05 AM, Mikko wrote: >> On 2024-10-16 03:52:00 +0000, olcott said: >> >>> On 10/15/2024 9:11 PM, Richard Damon wrote: >>>> On 10/15/24 8:39 AM, olcott wrote: >>>>> On 10/15/2024 4:58 AM, joes wrote: >>>>>> Am Mon, 14 Oct 2024 20:12:37 -0500 schrieb olcott: >>>>>>> On 10/14/2024 6:50 PM, Richard Damon wrote: >>>>>>>> On 10/14/24 12:05 PM, olcott wrote: >>>>>>>>> On 10/14/2024 6:21 AM, Richard Damon wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On 10/14/24 5:53 AM, olcott wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On 10/14/2024 3:21 AM, Mikko wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-10-13 12:49:01 +0000, Richard Damon said: >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/12/24 8:11 PM, olcott wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Trying to change to a different analytical framework than the one that >>>>>>>>> I am stipulating is the strawman deception. *Essentially an >>>>>>>>> intentional fallacy of equivocation error* >>>>>>>> But, you claim to be working on that Halting Problem, >>>>>>> I quit claiming this many messages ago and you didn't bother to notice. >>>>>> Can you please give the date and time? Did you also explicitly disclaim >>>>>> it or just silently leave it out? >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Even people of low intelligence that are not trying to >>>>> be as disagreeable as possible would be able to notice >>>>> that a specified C function is not a Turing machine. >>>> >>>> But it needs to be computationally equivalent to one to ask about Termination. >>>> >>> >>> Not at all. >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pure_function >>> A termination analyzer need not be a Turing computable function. >> >> There is no known way to construct one that isn't. No computer can >> execute a function that is not Turing computable. > > In other words you think that functions that > rely on global data such that they are not a > pure function of their inputs are A OK? Your "In other words" is a lie. What is OK depends on the purpose. -- Mikko