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From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: The actual truth is that ... industry standard stipulative
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On 10/19/2024 3:52 AM, Mikko wrote:
> On 2024-10-17 00:19:15 +0000, olcott said:
> 
>> On 10/16/2024 6:44 AM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>> On 10/15/24 11:52 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>> On 10/15/2024 9:11 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>> On 10/15/24 8:39 AM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>> On 10/15/2024 4:58 AM, joes wrote:
>>>>>>> Am Mon, 14 Oct 2024 20:12:37 -0500 schrieb olcott:
>>>>>>>> On 10/14/2024 6:50 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 10/14/24 12:05 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 10/14/2024 6:21 AM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/14/24 5:53 AM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/14/2024 3:21 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-10-13 12:49:01 +0000, Richard Damon said:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/12/24 8:11 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Trying to change to a different analytical framework than the 
>>>>>>>>>> one that
>>>>>>>>>> I am stipulating is the strawman deception. *Essentially an
>>>>>>>>>> intentional fallacy of equivocation error*
>>>>>>>>> But, you claim to be working on that Halting Problem,
>>>>>>>> I quit claiming this many messages ago and you didn't bother to 
>>>>>>>> notice.
>>>>>>> Can you please give the date and time? Did you also explicitly 
>>>>>>> disclaim
>>>>>>> it or just silently leave it out?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Even people of low intelligence that are not trying to
>>>>>> be as disagreeable as possible would be able to notice
>>>>>> that a specified C function is not a Turing machine.
>>>>>
>>>>> But it needs to be computationally equivalent to one to ask about 
>>>>> Termination.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Not at all.
>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pure_function
>>>> A termination analyzer need not be a Turing computable function.
>>>
>>> Strange, since any function that meets the requireemnt
>>>
>>> the function return values are identical for identical arguments (no 
>>> variation with local static variables, non-local variables, mutable 
>>> reference arguments or input streams, i.e., referential transparency),
>>>
>>> Is the equivalent of a Turing Machine.
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> *According to the industry standard definitions that I stipulated*
>>>
>>> You can't stipulate that something is a standard.
>>
>> A c function terminates when it reaches its "return"
>> instruction. I stipulate this basic fact because you
>> disagree with basic facts. When it is stipulated then
>> your disagreement is necessarily incorrect.
> 
> It is not a fact. It is a definition that excludes from the meaning
> of "terminate" certain possibilities that could reasonably be called
> "termination".
> 

Halting in computer science corresponds maps to normal
termination in software engineering. For C functions
reaching the "return" instruction is the only kind of
normal termination.

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