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Subject: Re: Random thoughts on sinewave oscillators
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On 18/10/2024 4:46 pm, john larkin wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Oct 2024 11:25:19 -0400, "Edward Rawde"
> <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> 
>> "piglet" <erichpwagner@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:vetde5$38sbk$1@dont-email.me...
>>> Edward Rawde <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> The circuit below produces a reasonable looking sinewave but the rise
>>>> time still seems to be slower than the fall time. It may be that the
>>>> amplifier in use is not ideal for this.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Could that just be second harmonic distortion? You could test the amplifier
>>> by uncoupling the Wien network and injecting test inputs.
>>>
>>> Elsewhere I think your amplitude control problems could be simply due to
>>> too much gain.
>>
>> Perhaps, but I've not so far been able to get the circuit I posted in response to Bill to produce a sine wave no matter what I do
>> with the control loop gain.
>> It either grows to clipping or dies.
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> piglet
>>
> 
> I do a lot of instant-start LC oscillators as the timebase of
> triggered delay generators. I let them clip just a bit to stabilize
> amplitude.
> 


Here is an amusing oscillator that has a voltage follower as the active 
stage - it has no voltage gain so some people say it cannot work - they 
are wrong of course.

Amplitude grows to power rail limits and non-linearities creep in.


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piglet