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Path: ...!news.roellig-ltd.de!news.mb-net.net!open-news-network.org!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> Newsgroups: sci.logic Subject: Re: A different perspective on undecidability Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2024 12:16:59 +0300 Organization: - Lines: 25 Message-ID: <vf566b$stue$1@dont-email.me> References: <veoift$29dtl$2@dont-email.me> <veoq3j$2aqp2$1@dont-email.me> <veota3$2baph$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2024 11:16:59 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="c56cb3d89d45ed7901e7fd7a6b935be0"; logging-data="948174"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/i7cVJ4cg3AR/Nl2a1RnLR" User-Agent: Unison/2.2 Cancel-Lock: sha1:lHyLh9Mb3RZ3eXN2A8I1jMcXxBo= Bytes: 1783 On 2024-10-16 17:31:47 +0000, olcott said: > On 10/16/2024 11:37 AM, Mikko wrote: >> On 2024-10-16 14:27:09 +0000, olcott said: >> >>> The whole notion of undecidability is anchored in ignoring the fact that >>> some expressions of language are simply not truth bearers. >> >> A formal theory is undecidable if there is no Turing machine that >> determines whether a formula of that theory is a theorem of that >> theory or not. > > When the question: Is finite string X a theory of L? > has no correct answer from YES and NO, then the question > is rejected as not a truth bearer. As I already said: >> Whether an expression is a truth bearer is not >> relevant. Either there is a valid proof of that formula or there >> is not. No third possibility. -- Mikko