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From: AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org>
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Subject: Re: Fatal incident in Paris
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2024 14:44:48 -0500
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On 10/21/2024 1:44 PM, Shadow wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 19:26:24 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 13:58:37 +0200, Rolf Mantel
>> <news@hartig-mantel.de> wrote:
>>
>>> Am 21.10.2024 um 13:05 schrieb John B.:
>>>> On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 12:13:51 +0200, Rolf Mantel
>>>> <news@hartig-mantel.de> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Am 20.10.2024 um 16:06 schrieb AMuzi:
>>>>>> On 10/19/2024 7:33 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sat, 19 Oct 2024 09:57:17 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.rfi.fr/en/france/20241019-suv-driver-charged-with-murder-
>>>>>>>> for-running-over-cyclist-in-paris
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Note the difference. In France the perpetrator is held in jail until
>>>>>>> his trial while, as Mr. Muzi has previously posted, criminals in the
>>>>>>> U.S. are allowed to run free and commit even more crimes while
>>>>>>> awaiting trial.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, yes that does happen with disturbing frequency but with huge local
>>>>>> variance.
>>>>>
>>>>> Let's put things into a perspective:
>>>>> In each of the legislations mentioned, it is possible to hold people in
>>>>> jail until the trial date if necessary (risk of interfering in Police
>>>>> investigations, risk of repeat offence, risk of absconding where bail
>>>>> seems insufficient).
>>>>> In each of the legislations, it is possible to release people before
>>>>> trial if it is not necessary to jail them.
>>>>> With overloaded courts and often several years of waiting for a trial,
>>>>> it would be plain inappropriate to jail people for crimes with a maximum
>>>>> sentence of a few months.
>>>>
>>>> In a number of posts made by Mr. Andrew the guilty party committed a
>>>> several further crimes while free awaiting trial for the first crime.
>>>>
>>>> Re overloaded courts, etc. What does a company do when the demand for
>>>> their product becomes much greater then they are able to supply with
>>>> their current facilities and equipment.?
>>>
>>> They aim to expand facilities but only if they have enough capital to
>>> allow them doing it (polititians usually deny the courts sufficient
>>> money for expansion).
>>> Short-term they aim to raise prices to supress demand and raise capital
>>> (defendants in criminal courts do not pay to use the court services).
>>>
>>> What would you suggest courts do in such a situation?  The only way out
>>> is to prioritize cases and to drop the least importan cases.  Is a
>>> shop-lifter who stole $100 more or less important than a husband to shot
>>> dead his wife seeing her in the arms of somebody else?
>>> The shop-lifter has a high change of re-offending but murder is
>>> significantly more severe than shop-lifting.
>>> If you dislike people getting off scott-free, when was the last time you
>>> voted for a significant tax raise to bolster the court system?
>>
>> Well, firstly, it isn't the count as some sort of individual entity as
>> courts are part of the government system whether federal, state or
>> lower.
>>
>> As for shortage of money? Well there are all sort of things that CAN
>> be done. Thailand, for example has no unemployment system - you don't
>> work, you don't eat. And in conjunction they do not allow foreigners
>> to work in the country, to take work for citizens and thus no
>> unemployment and the state makes no unemployment payments.
> 
> 	What if you can't work? Have multiple sclerosis, terminal
> cancer , severe hereditary emphysema or something equally
> debilitating. Does the State kill you off?
> 	Also, if they don't allow foreigners to work there what
> exactly do you do? Are you retired or are you a native Thai?
> 	[]'s

Mr Slocumb is retired, like this guy:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/yourmoney/consumer/article-13983735/retired-florida-cop-relocated-thailand-happier-cheaper.html

-- 
Andrew Muzi
am@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971