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From: RonO <rokimoto557@gmail.com>
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Subject: Progress for the ID scam 20 years after the Sternberg fiasco
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2024 12:05:31 -0500
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https://evolutionnews.org/2024/10/progress-since-the-sternberg-smithsonian-saga-20-years-ago/

Zero progress seems to have been made.  They claim that some UK IDiot 
has praise for Meyer's claptrap, and that is it for progress.  Signature 
in a Cell bombed, Meyer's God Hypothesis wasn't about any coherent god 
hypothesis, just a compilation of the Top Six god-of-the-gaps 
creationist stupidity that has been put up in defense of Biblical 
creationism for decades before the ID scam existed.  Meyer never tried 
to develop a coherent god hypothesis in that book and only used the 
god-of-the-gaps stupidity as independent bits of denial so that some god 
might fill the gaps, but each gap denial was treated as independent and 
was never meant to develop some type of useful god hypothesis out of all 
the denial.  It was all just denial for denial purposes, so that some 
god hypothesis might be viable if one was ever put forward.

Sternberg is a pretty tragic figure in the history of the ID scam.  He 
manipulated the system to get Meyer's ID scam paper published, and the 
paper wasn't even anything worth publishing (Meyer's Cambrian explosion 
denial was one of the Top Six best evidences that was removed from the 
Top Six by Sewell, and is not anything that any YEC would want to 
support their religious beliefs because YEC do not want to believe in 
the designer responsible for diddle farting around with sea creatures 
within a 25 million year period over half a billion years ago). 
Sternberg gave up his science career (he was never fired nor turned 
out).  Instead he became one of the ID perps running the ID bait and 
switch scam on hapless creationist rubes.  The ID creationist scam had 
already been exposed and had failed in federal court by the time that 
the Discovery Institute hired Sternberg to conduct ID science at the 
Biologic Institute in 2007.  The Biologic Institute eventually died (The 
web site hasn't been updated since 2018) but Sternberg was kept on the 
payroll, and is still supposedly doing ID science, but has never 
published this science in any reputable science journal that I know of. 
The only ID scam junk that I recall coming out of Sternberg for over a 
decade and a half of "research" is his whale fossil gap denial 
stupidity.  Sternberg could not use his previous scientific research on 
invertebrates to support the ID scam, so he took up Gish's old whale 
fossil gap evolution denial.

It should be noted that after Sternberg put out a Discovery Institute 
video on his whale evolution denial Behe put out his claims that whale 
evolution from a terrestrial mammal was the type of evolution expected 
to occur by Darwinian mechanisms.  Behe claimed that natural mechanisms 
could account for the molecular evolution responsible for whale 
evolution.  In fact, Behe claimed that natural selection would be 
expected to take advantage of gene knockout mutations if they resulted 
in better adaption to an aquatic environment.  Behe's denial angle was 
that even though Darwinian mechanisms could explain whale evolution that 
it was a bad type of evolution that Behe denigrated by calling it 
"devolution".  As crazy as it may seem Behe's argument was that whale 
evolution was not the type of nifty evolution that his designer would 
have been responsible for in Behe's IC type systems.  Behe shot 
Sternberg in the head by claiming that whale evolution was the type of 
evolution that likely occurred when the designer wasn't looking.  Behe's 
designer would have done a better job because the designer had done a 
better job hundreds of millions of years before whales evolved.

That is the progress that the ID scam has made in the last 20 years. 
Around 17 years of Sternberg's "scientific career" with the ID perps 
destroyed by Behe's stupidity.

Ron Okimoto