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From: Geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org>
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Subject: Re: USGP 2024 -Teflon underpants ?
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2024 10:13:59 +1300
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On 23/10/2024 9:30 am, Alan wrote:
> On 2024-10-22 13:24, News wrote:
>> On 10/22/2024 4:13 PM, Alan wrote:
>>> On 2024-10-22 12:18, News wrote:
>>>> On 10/22/2024 1:41 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>> On 2024-10-22 09:13, News wrote:
>>>>>> On 10/22/2024 12:01 PM, Edmund wrote:
>>>>>>> On 22-10-2024 16:37, News wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 10/21/2024 3:19 AM, Edmund wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 20-10-2024 23:26, Geoff wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> VER forces NOR off track at first corner and all is OK "after 
>>>>>>>>>> all it is the first corner of the race"....
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Near the end, VER forces NOR off the track, going off-track 
>>>>>>>>>> himself, and it is NOR gets a penalty.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> How does that work ?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It works as it always work, some drivers are more equal then 
>>>>>>>>> others.
>>>>>>>>> Other then that, the rules!! IF they are applied here, suck big 
>>>>>>>>> time.
>>>>>>>>> The start where mad max goes way too fast to make the corner 
>>>>>>>>> AND leave space for others..... that is ruled OK! which is absurd.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> BTW I am pretty sure max went off track during the race and 
>>>>>>>>> kept position BECAUSE he went of track, nobody cares.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Boo F1'riggin Hoo
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://adamcooperf1.com/2024/10/22/horner-norris-us-gp-penalty- 
>>>>>>>> was- a- slam-dunk/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Much to my surprise Horner is backing his team.
>>>>>>> Do you have a opinion of your own?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Horner speaks for me.
>>>>>
>>>>> The difference is that Horner understands that it's easy to get 
>>>>> back ahead in the braking zone for a corner...
>>>>>
>>>>> ...by simply easing off the brake pedal.
>>>>>
>>>>> You won't be able to stay on the track, mind, but your car's nose 
>>>>> will be back in front.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Statistical evaluation and modeling >> basic racecraft
>>>
>>> What do you even claim to mean by that?
>>>
>>> Norris braked later than Verstappen and his nose was ahead.
>>>
>>> The ONLY WAY that Verstappen comes back to nose ahead is by easing 
>>> off the brakes which will leave him with too much speed to stay on 
>>> the track...
>>>
>>> ...which is exactly what happened?
>>>
>>> How is that "racecraft"?
>>>
>>> How is it different to using underbraking to force someone off the 
>>> track in a CORNER as opposed to using steering to force someone off 
>>> the track on the STRAIGHT?
>>>
>>>  From a car control standpoint, they are both deliberate actions that 
>>> force another driver off the track.
>>
>> Now model outcomes and Stewards' probable responses.
>>
>> IYKYK.
> 
> OIK...BYD
> 
> '2. Guidelines for overtaking on the outside of a corner:
> 
> ...
> 
> The car being overtaken must be capable of making the corner while 
> remaining within the limits of the track.”'
> 
> <https://www.fia.com/sites/default/files/doc_2_-_2022_imola_event_- 
> _fia_f1_driving_standard_guidelines.pdf>
> 
> Read that as many times as it takes.

And  that should work for the first corner in the race as well.

-- 
geoff