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From: Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com>
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Subject: Re: USGP 2024 -Teflon underpants ?
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2024 14:15:49 -0700
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On 2024-10-22 14:13, Geoff wrote:
> On 23/10/2024 9:30 am, Alan wrote:
>> On 2024-10-22 13:24, News wrote:
>>> On 10/22/2024 4:13 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>> On 2024-10-22 12:18, News wrote:
>>>>> On 10/22/2024 1:41 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>> On 2024-10-22 09:13, News wrote:
>>>>>>> On 10/22/2024 12:01 PM, Edmund wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 22-10-2024 16:37, News wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 10/21/2024 3:19 AM, Edmund wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 20-10-2024 23:26, Geoff wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> VER forces NOR off track at first corner and all is OK "after 
>>>>>>>>>>> all it is the first corner of the race"....
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Near the end, VER forces NOR off the track, going off-track 
>>>>>>>>>>> himself, and it is NOR gets a penalty.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> How does that work ?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It works as it always work, some drivers are more equal then 
>>>>>>>>>> others.
>>>>>>>>>> Other then that, the rules!! IF they are applied here, suck 
>>>>>>>>>> big time.
>>>>>>>>>> The start where mad max goes way too fast to make the corner 
>>>>>>>>>> AND leave space for others..... that is ruled OK! which is 
>>>>>>>>>> absurd.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> BTW I am pretty sure max went off track during the race and 
>>>>>>>>>> kept position BECAUSE he went of track, nobody cares.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Boo F1'riggin Hoo
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://adamcooperf1.com/2024/10/22/horner-norris-us-gp- 
>>>>>>>>> penalty- was- a- slam-dunk/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Much to my surprise Horner is backing his team.
>>>>>>>> Do you have a opinion of your own?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Horner speaks for me.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The difference is that Horner understands that it's easy to get 
>>>>>> back ahead in the braking zone for a corner...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ...by simply easing off the brake pedal.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You won't be able to stay on the track, mind, but your car's nose 
>>>>>> will be back in front.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Statistical evaluation and modeling >> basic racecraft
>>>>
>>>> What do you even claim to mean by that?
>>>>
>>>> Norris braked later than Verstappen and his nose was ahead.
>>>>
>>>> The ONLY WAY that Verstappen comes back to nose ahead is by easing 
>>>> off the brakes which will leave him with too much speed to stay on 
>>>> the track...
>>>>
>>>> ...which is exactly what happened?
>>>>
>>>> How is that "racecraft"?
>>>>
>>>> How is it different to using underbraking to force someone off the 
>>>> track in a CORNER as opposed to using steering to force someone off 
>>>> the track on the STRAIGHT?
>>>>
>>>>  From a car control standpoint, they are both deliberate actions 
>>>> that force another driver off the track.
>>>
>>> Now model outcomes and Stewards' probable responses.
>>>
>>> IYKYK.
>>
>> OIK...BYD
>>
>> '2. Guidelines for overtaking on the outside of a corner:
>>
>> ...
>>
>> The car being overtaken must be capable of making the corner while 
>> remaining within the limits of the track.”'
>>
>> <https://www.fia.com/sites/default/files/doc_2_-_2022_imola_event_- 
>> _fia_f1_driving_standard_guidelines.pdf>
>>
>> Read that as many times as it takes.
> 
> And  that should work for the first corner in the race as well.
Absolutely it should.

I understand why they usually let things go on lap one...

....but I don't agree with letting it go.