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From: RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: YouTube Linux advocate: "not remotely possible" Linux could
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Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2024 07:12:52 -0000 (UTC)
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On 2024-10-22, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
> On 2024-10-22 3:44 a.m., RonB wrote:
>> On 2024-10-21, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>> On 2024-10-21 10:48 a.m., DFS wrote:
>>>> On 10/21/2024 10:13 AM, CrudeSausage wrote:
>>>>> On 2024-10-20 10:50 p.m., vallor wrote:
>>>>>> On Sun, 20 Oct 2024 12:22:17 -0400, DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote in
>>>>>> <vf3anm$f7na$3@dont-email.me>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://youtu.be/08VbexhJO4Y?t=23
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The comments on this vid about why people moved to Linux or not are
>>>>>>> always interesting.  Most of them are pro-Linux of course.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hate to break the news to you, but if you have Windows, part of
>>>>>> Windows is "Linux on the desktop".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I know that must eat at you...
>>>>>
>>>>> Absolutely none of that makes any kind of sense.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> He's referring to Windows Subsystem for Linux.
>>>>
>>>> Bloaty thinks MS adding it as a feature bothers me and is a victory for
>>>> Linux.  He forgets Microsoft has had a *nix component available
>>>> continuously for Windows for 25 years.
>>>>
>>>> Rather than bother me, I'm glad MS made it so easy to run a
>>>> high-performing Linux distro alongside Windows.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> $ wsl --list --online
>>>> The following is a list of valid distributions that can be installed.
>>>> Install using 'wsl.exe --install <Distro>'.
>>>>
>>>> NAME                            FRIENDLY NAME
>>>> Ubuntu                          Ubuntu
>>>> Debian                          Debian GNU/Linux
>>>> kali-linux                      Kali Linux Rolling
>>>> Ubuntu-18.04                    Ubuntu 18.04 LTS
>>>> Ubuntu-20.04                    Ubuntu 20.04 LTS
>>>> Ubuntu-22.04                    Ubuntu 22.04 LTS
>>>> Ubuntu-24.04                    Ubuntu 24.04 LTS
>>>> OracleLinux_7_9                 Oracle Linux 7.9
>>>> OracleLinux_8_7                 Oracle Linux 8.7
>>>> OracleLinux_9_1                 Oracle Linux 9.1
>>>> openSUSE-Leap-15.6              openSUSE Leap 15.6
>>>> SUSE-Linux-Enterprise-15-SP5    SUSE Linux Enterprise 15 SP5
>>>> SUSE-Linux-Enterprise-15-SP6    SUSE Linux Enterprise 15 SP6
>>>> openSUSE-Tumbleweed             openSUSE Tumbleweed
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> And you can create and distribute your own WSL distros.
>>>
>>> The Linux desktop environment won't have any kind of a victory until
>>> companies willingly sell it in stores and actually make a profit. Until
>>> then, it'll be niche. It works well, it's pretty, but it remains niche.
>> 
>> A gigantic "niche."
>
> No, a small niche. It doesn't rule the tablet world, iOS does. It 
> doesn't rule the phone world, Android does (simply because they offer 
> both cheap and expensive handsets). They don't rule the desktop, Windows 
> does.

No, a gigantic niche. Around 5% of the world's desktops (including laptops) 
which is not a small number. When you include Chromebooks (which run on 
Linux), that's about 7%. Android phones (running on the Linux kernel) 71%. 
Android tablets (running on the Linux kernel) 44%. About 80% or 90% of web 
servers. And almost all embedded devices.

So Linux is huge. And 5-7% of the desktop market is also "huge." And it's 
definitely not dwindling.

> It can be argued that the mere fact that Android uses the Linux kernel 
> means that Linux won. However, people here have trouble deciding whether 
> Android is Linux or not. Since people use the environment atop Linux 
> exclusively, it shouldn't be factored in as a Linux machine.

I don't care what you call Android itself, but it's definitely not the 
Windows kernel it's running on. The Windows market is desktops which, when 
compared to the whole OS market, is a niche market.

-- 
“Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy 
what has been invented or made by the forces of good.”  —J.R.R. Tolkien