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From: Edmund <nomail@hotmail.com>
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Subject: Re: USGP 2024 -Teflon underpants ?
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2024 10:02:10 +0200
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On 22-10-2024 22:13, Alan wrote:
> On 2024-10-22 12:18, News wrote:
>> On 10/22/2024 1:41 PM, Alan wrote:
>>> On 2024-10-22 09:13, News wrote:
>>>> On 10/22/2024 12:01 PM, Edmund wrote:
>>>>> On 22-10-2024 16:37, News wrote:
>>>>>> On 10/21/2024 3:19 AM, Edmund wrote:
>>>>>>> On 20-10-2024 23:26, Geoff wrote:
>>>>>>>> VER forces NOR off track at first corner and all is OK "after 
>>>>>>>> all it is the first corner of the race"....
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Near the end, VER forces NOR off the track, going off-track 
>>>>>>>> himself, and it is NOR gets a penalty.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> How does that work ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It works as it always work, some drivers are more equal then others.
>>>>>>> Other then that, the rules!! IF they are applied here, suck big 
>>>>>>> time.
>>>>>>> The start where mad max goes way too fast to make the corner AND 
>>>>>>> leave space for others..... that is ruled OK! which is absurd.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> BTW I am pretty sure max went off track during the race and kept 
>>>>>>> position BECAUSE he went of track, nobody cares.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Boo F1'riggin Hoo
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://adamcooperf1.com/2024/10/22/horner-norris-us-gp-penalty- 
>>>>>> was- a- slam-dunk/
>>>>>
>>>>> Much to my surprise Horner is backing his team.
>>>>> Do you have a opinion of your own?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Horner speaks for me.
>>>
>>> The difference is that Horner understands that it's easy to get back 
>>> ahead in the braking zone for a corner...
>>>
>>> ...by simply easing off the brake pedal.
>>>
>>> You won't be able to stay on the track, mind, but your car's nose 
>>> will be back in front.
>>
>>
>> Statistical evaluation and modeling >> basic racecraft
> 
> What do you even claim to mean by that?
> 
> Norris braked later than Verstappen and his nose was ahead.
> 
> The ONLY WAY that Verstappen comes back to nose ahead is by easing off 
> the brakes which will leave him with too much speed to stay on the track...
> 
> ...which is exactly what happened?

Correct!
> 
> How is that "racecraft"?
> 
> How is it different to using underbraking to force someone off the track 
> in a CORNER as opposed to using steering to force someone off the track 
> on the STRAIGHT?
> 
>  From a car control standpoint, they are both deliberate actions that 
> force another driver off the track.

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