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On 10/23/2024 11:13 AM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
> On 10/23/2024 5:30 AM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
>> Scott Lurndal <slp53@pacbell.net> wrote:
>> <about LA smog>
>>> Having lived there, I can confirm that it is far better than
>>> the 70s and 80s.   I recall playing softball one saturday
>>> in 1985 and having to stop between home and first to catch
>>> my breath.
>>
>> And this is in great part due to government regulation of auto 
>> manufacturers,
>> first in California but then across the US.  Car manufacturers fought the
>> emission control requirements tooth and nail, and most of the early 
>> attempts
>> they made to meet them were incredibly poor and reduced both 
>> performance and
>> reliability.  Eventually they were driven toward closed-loop fuel 
>> injection
>> control and then the world changed for the better in so many different 
>> ways.
>>
>> Eventually the emission control requirements wound up resulting in a 
>> better
>> technology with higher performance and better reliability as well as a 
>> lot
>> less smog.
>>
>>> On the other hand, it's worse now that it was a decade
>>> ago, simply due to population growth over the last
>>> couple decades (and wildfires).
>>
>> Electric vehicles still pollute, it's just that the pollution is done 
>> at the
>> power plant many miles away where it isn't visible.  BUT, electric 
>> vehicles
>> only use pollution-causing power when they are running, not when they are
>> immobilized in traffic on the 101.  Cars in LA seem to spend as much time
>> stopped as moving, and so electric power is likely to be a win.
>> --scott
>>
> But those same batteries have to power the AC which in LA means a lot of 
> "out of juice" EVs on the highway to add to the "stop" part of "stop and 
> go traffic"!  :P

How many have you actually seen? The batteries in pure EVs are so large
compared to ICE cars, and the consumption running the heat pump so low
in comparison to that of moving the car, that the AC and heat can run
for a long, long time.

I once tested my car in single digit temperatures, and determined that
the interior could be kept at 60F+ for well over a day.

A few hours in stop-and-go with the AC on is easily obtained.

OTOH, I do frequently hear of ICE cars draining their small batteries
running the AC in the same conditions.

pt