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From: BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com>
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Subject: Re: How Kammie is Scamming Her Pro-Choice Supporters
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2024 16:03:48 -0000 (UTC)
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On Oct 24, 2024 at 8:50:59 AM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

> On 10/23/2024 8:49 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>  On Oct 23, 2024 at 3:12:31 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>  
>>>  On 10/23/2024 3:54 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>    On Oct 23, 2024 at 12:20:29 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>    
>>>>>    On 10/23/2024 2:47 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>      On Oct 23, 2024 at 11:15:53 AM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>      
>>>>>>>      On 10/22/2024 10:43 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>>>        On Oct 22, 2024 at 3:56:09 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com>
>>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>>        
>>>>>>>>>        On 10/22/2024 6:44 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>          On Oct 22, 2024 at 2:59:35 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com>
>>>>>>>>>>    wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>        
>>>>>>>>>>    Again, you're going to have to explain how prohibiting the killing of
>>>>>>>>>>    adult people is secular but prohibiting the killing of pre-born people
>>>>>>>>>>    is per se
>>>>>>>>>>    religious.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>        The former stems from a mutual protection pact between citizens and
>>>>>>>>>        arises from logic, whereas the latter stems from someone's faith-based
>>>>>>>>>        dogma about when fetuses receive "souls" and "deserve" protection.
>>>>>>>>        
>>>>>>>>    No, it doesn't. I'm an atheist. I don't believe in any spooks or
>>>>>>>> spirits or
>>>>>>>>    souls. And I can't see any logic at all that says it's perfectly okay to
>>>>>>>>    kill a baby that's moments from birth just because it hasn't transited the
>>>>>>>>    three inches of the vaginal canal yet.
>>>>>>>>        
>>>>>>>>    And as has been stated many times, one need not believe in an omnipotent
>>>>>>>>    invisible sky-tyrant to believe that killing a baby in the womb is wrong.
>>>>>>>>    It's no more 'illogical' for society to protect that than it is to protect
>>>>>>>>    adults
>>>>>>>>    from being killed.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>      'Religion' needn't have an origin-story mythology, it needs only abiding
>>>>>>>      belief in something that can't be seen or shown.
>>>>>>      
>>>>>>      Again, I don't have any such belief, yet I think it's wrong the
>>>>>> same way I
>>>>>>      think killing an adult human is wrong. Neither one requires me to be
>>>>>>      religious.
>>>>> 
>>>>>    Okay, why do you believe killing your fellow man is wrong?
>>>>    
>>>>    Because it causes pain and suffering both to the victim and those they
>>>> love.
>>>>    
>>>>>    And what does 'wrong' mean to you, outside the context of a factual
>>>>>  question?
>>>>    
>>>>    Ibid.
>>> 
>>>  Pain and suffering are 'wrong'?  But society traffics in them daily.
>>  
>>  You [say] some people's morals differ from others? Who knew?
> 
> Indeed.  And "morals" (and the like) are exactly what we're dealing with 
> here, i.e., behavioral rules based on shared belief in a "higher power".

Mortality does not require a belief in the supernatural.