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From: Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com>
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Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2024 13:49:50 -0400
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On 10/24/2024 11:19 AM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
> On 10/23/2024 7:31 PM, Cryptoengineer wrote:
>> On 10/23/2024 11:13 AM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
>>> On 10/23/2024 5:30 AM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
>>>> Scott Lurndal <slp53@pacbell.net> wrote:
>>>> <about LA smog>
>>>>> Having lived there, I can confirm that it is far better than
>>>>> the 70s and 80s.   I recall playing softball one saturday
>>>>> in 1985 and having to stop between home and first to catch
>>>>> my breath.
>>>>
>>>> And this is in great part due to government regulation of auto 
>>>> manufacturers,
>>>> first in California but then across the US.  Car manufacturers 
>>>> fought the
>>>> emission control requirements tooth and nail, and most of the early 
>>>> attempts
>>>> they made to meet them were incredibly poor and reduced both 
>>>> performance and
>>>> reliability.  Eventually they were driven toward closed-loop fuel 
>>>> injection
>>>> control and then the world changed for the better in so many 
>>>> different ways.
>>>>
>>>> Eventually the emission control requirements wound up resulting in a 
>>>> better
>>>> technology with higher performance and better reliability as well as 
>>>> a lot
>>>> less smog.
>>>>
>>>>> On the other hand, it's worse now that it was a decade
>>>>> ago, simply due to population growth over the last
>>>>> couple decades (and wildfires).
>>>>
>>>> Electric vehicles still pollute, it's just that the pollution is 
>>>> done at the
>>>> power plant many miles away where it isn't visible.  BUT, electric 
>>>> vehicles
>>>> only use pollution-causing power when they are running, not when 
>>>> they are
>>>> immobilized in traffic on the 101.  Cars in LA seem to spend as much 
>>>> time
>>>> stopped as moving, and so electric power is likely to be a win.
>>>> --scott
>>>>
>>> But those same batteries have to power the AC which in LA means a lot 
>>> of "out of juice" EVs on the highway to add to the "stop" part of 
>>> "stop and go traffic"!  :P
>>
>> How many have you actually seen? The batteries in pure EVs are so large
>> compared to ICE cars, and the consumption running the heat pump so low
>> in comparison to that of moving the car, that the AC and heat can run
>> for a long, long time.
>>
>> I once tested my car in single digit temperatures, and determined that
>> the interior could be kept at 60F+ for well over a day.
>>
>> A few hours in stop-and-go with the AC on is easily obtained.
>>
>> OTOH, I do frequently hear of ICE cars draining their small batteries
>> running the AC in the same conditions.
>>
> I think you missed the ":p" tongue-in-cheek emoji at the end of my 
> post.  ;)

Guilty as charged.

pt