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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder2.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: No TM exists that can simulate all TM. Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2024 10:56:55 +0300 Organization: - Lines: 20 Message-ID: <vfi7c7$3ksd0$1@dont-email.me> References: <8378f81fb465a4d56d7c65b466790571c71a5c31.camel@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2024 09:56:55 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="ceca57aa9cd2f8b0738fdd62214a72ea"; logging-data="3830176"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+zSFMvg3UCwrBqypYBy7at" User-Agent: Unison/2.2 Cancel-Lock: sha1:CgaL4IVG+64GLWTpdRDoWYdgm0c= Bytes: 1349 On 2024-10-25 17:12:00 +0000, wij said: > Proof: Simulating self is not possible (from all real programs, every > one can verify). The starting point of that proof is false. An universal Turing machine that can simulate any Turing machine, including itself, can be and has been constructed. > This also implies UTM does not exist. Existence of an UTM prooves otherwise. > Did Turing made a mistake? Somebody did. -- Mikko