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From: Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi>
Newsgroups: comp.theory
Subject: Re: No TM exists that can simulate all TM.
Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2024 10:56:55 +0300
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On 2024-10-25 17:12:00 +0000, wij said:

> Proof: Simulating self is not possible (from all real programs, every 
> one can verify).

The starting point of that proof is false. An universal Turing machine
that can simulate any Turing machine, including itself, can be and has
been constructed.

> This also implies UTM does not exist.

Existence of an UTM prooves otherwise.

> Did Turing made a mistake?

Somebody did.

-- 
Mikko