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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder2.eternal-september.org!2.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!feeds.news.ox.ac.uk!news.ox.ac.uk!nntp-feed.chiark.greenend.org.uk!ewrotcd!news.eyrie.org!beagle.ediacara.org!.POSTED.beagle.ediacara.org!not-for-mail From: RonO <rokimoto557@gmail.com> Newsgroups: talk.origins Subject: Chick anxiety? Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2024 09:42:51 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 31 Sender: to%beagle.ediacara.org Approved: moderator@beagle.ediacara.org Message-ID: <vfljhb$fl12$1@dont-email.me> Reply-To: rokimoto557@gmail.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: beagle.ediacara.org; posting-host="beagle.ediacara.org:3.132.105.89"; logging-data="38648"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@beagle.ediacara.org" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird To: talk-origins@moderators.isc.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:6vApqzEcDILYoe5sohtoV1HhD18= Return-Path: <news@eternal-september.org> X-Original-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org Delivered-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org id 51FD3229782; Sun, 27 Oct 2024 10:42:58 -0400 (EDT) by beagle.ediacara.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 295FF229765 for <talk-origins@ediacara.org>; Sun, 27 Oct 2024 10:42:56 -0400 (EDT) id CF6B85DF9A; Sun, 27 Oct 2024 14:42:54 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: talk-origins@moderators.isc.org by mod-relay-1.kamens.us (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A94895DF99 for <talk-origins@moderators.isc.org>; Sun, 27 Oct 2024 14:42:54 +0000 (UTC) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature ECDSA (P-256) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.eternal-september.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 47DDD5F70F for <talk-origins@moderators.isc.org>; Sun, 27 Oct 2024 14:42:52 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: name/47DDD5F70F; dmarc=fail (p=none dis=none) header.from=gmail.com id C9EC3DC01A9; Sun, 27 Oct 2024 15:42:51 +0100 (CET) X-Injection-Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2024 15:42:51 +0100 (CET) Content-Language: en-US X-Auth-Sender: U2FsdGVkX18dYM+90xO8pufTNrEKdc92iInPnz6cFI4= FREEMAIL_FORGED_REPLYTO,FREEMAIL_REPLYTO_END_DIGIT, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_BLOCKED,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS,URIBL_BLOCKED, USER_IN_WELCOMELIST,USER_IN_WHITELIST autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.6 smtp.eternal-september.org Bytes: 4236 https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2024/10/241024130804.htm These researchers are trying to measure bird depression and anxiety by vocalization, but it looks like they have the wrong model. What they did was put two chicks into different environments. One chick was put in a box by itself, and the other chick was placed in a box with a mirror. The chick with the mirror was fooled into thinking that it was not alone, but the chick by itself started giving a different call. There likely is anxiety in being separated from their hatch mates, but the call they recorded is likely the gathering call. It is the call chicks make when they are lost from their brood, and gets the mother hen to find them. There is likely no more anxiety in the call than when you flush a covey of Bobwhite quail, and a few minutes later you start hearing the gathering call that gave the quail their name. The birds are just trying to get back together. Chickens imprint at hatching, but it isn't the same as when ducklings or goslings imprint. Chicks seem to imprint on their environment (brood mates as well as their mother) ducklings imprint on specific individuals. Chicks may never imprint on any parent, but they do seem to imprint on their hatch mates. If they are hatched in isolation they may not imprint on anything. Ducklings will imprint on the first human face that they see out of the incubator, but chicks do not do this. The chicks will still give out the gathering call when separated from their hatch mates. These researchers likely need another model to measure anxiety. What they are currently doing is differentiating the gathering call from normal inter chick vocalizations. Ron Okimoto