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From: Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com>
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Subject: Re: Whoops! The Atlantic Makes Trump Look EPIC In Cover Intended as a
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Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2024 21:55:59 -0700
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On 10/27/24 20:28, Titus G wrote:
> On 28/10/24 14:16, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
>> On 10/27/24 16:35, Titus G wrote:
>>> On 28/10/24 10:49, Chris Buckley wrote:
>>> snip
>>>>
>>>> As far as ease for getting your name on the presidential ballot, let's
>>>> look at New York.  It requires 45,000 valid signatures, including 500
>>>> from each of at least one-half of the congressional districts.  This
>>>> year the signatures were due by May 28, before many parties even knew
>>>> their nominees! The two major parties, of course, are exempt from this
>>>> requirement since they have already proved their "legitimacy".
>>>>
>>>> It cost many millions of dollars total to get on the ballot for most
>>>> of the states.  Kennedy's PAC last year was targeting spending 10-15
>>>> million for 10 of the harder states.
>>>> https://www.cbsnews.com/news/rfk-jr-ballot-access/
>>>
>>> Knowing little about the electoral processes in the USA, I was
>>> gobsmacked to read your post and the beginning of that article.
>>> Initially I thought that might partly explain why from about 320,000,000
>>> possibilities you get such trash as Trump, Biden and Harris.
>>> And Obama, Clinton, Bush, etc but then I realised this pot from Aotearoa
>>>    was calling your kettle black as with no such monetary obstruction, we
>>> don't do much better with only 5,000,000 to select from.
>>>
>>
>>      Biden is the best President since Roosevelt.
> 
> Firstly, Bliss, I have no interest in your internal problems and am only
> interested in your foreign policy as represented by your empire building
> so I have a different perspective and emphasis to you regarding your
> Presidents. Thank you for your serious reply.

> It was Roosevelt who responded to a question about the influence of
> Israel on policy with something like, "There are no Palestinians voting
> in USA elections." Followers in office have now taken that to the nth
> degree and Biden supports genocide in Israel to obtain power at home.

	Well now we have Palestians voting in the USA and Trump is
worse for them than the alternative.  Voting is hell because you
have to make up your mind on incomplete evidence and worse you
have to figure out the lies that are told. Because of my personality
I never had anything to do with Social Media and I was astounded
by the lies told about Hillary Clinton when she was running against
Trump. I found out about those after the election of #45 whom I
saw as a Fascist with a recent career in Reality TV and a long
record of bad behavior as an owner of real estate.

> Don't mention Epstein. A decade ago, Biden's son, Hunter, was receiving
> $50,000 a month from the Ukrainian Gas company prior to the overthrow of
> the pro Russian Ukrainian government. On youtube you can watch Biden
> gloating over his successful threat to withhold US funds unless the
> Ukrainian Attorney General was fired to prevent the corruption
> investigation of the same Gas company continuing. Coincidentally Hunter
> was paying his father $50,000 a month for rental of something as yet
> unknown with regard to which there is an ongoing investigation. Crack
> smoking Hunter calls his father "Pedo Pete" and his daughter writes in
> her diary that she used to shower with her father in her nymphomaniac
> drug ridden days. Biden is Trash.

	I doubt the veracity of such reports.
	It was Trump who applied pressure on the Ukrainians lest
he hold up the shipments of money and arms. What did he want?
Why dirt on Hunter and his Father which was lacking. Now the
Ukrainians would have happily dug up dirt but the thing lacking
was the crime.

	The Gas company investigation was completed and you
have bought whole-heartedly into the lies put about by the
Trumpities. Hunter has been convicted on charges related to
his taxes in the USA and on charges of possessing a firearm
while still a drug addict.

> 
>>      Harris is not trash but an elected Vice President who did everything
>> asked of her by her President. Now she is running at
>> his instigation since her policies will aline more with his than
>> most others.
> 
> Harris is married to a Jew. She will give lip service only to oppose
> Israeli apartheid and genocide. Her integrity is questioned given she
> happily sought jail terms for marijuana smokers whilst admitting that
> she smoked when at Uni.

	Not all Jews are Zionists. Not all Jews are happy with
what Israeil is doing. A large number of Israeli citizen are
not happy with the way the Netenyahu government is doing things.
The right wing and the rt. wing religious nut jubs are happy
to kill Palestininas.  These are all religions that claim
Abraham as the Patriach but despite them having the 10 Commandments
in common they demonstrate the ineffectuality of religion
as a guide to National behavior.

> 
>>      Obama was just Ok but he spent a lot of time trying to
>> get the health care system working.
>> .
>>      Which Bush? We had one competent one term and one incompetent
>> who served two terms.
> 
> Obama and Bush senior are products of your secret service.
> Junior supervised the slaughter of over a million and the displacement
> of a further four million in a country of about twenty million thought
> to be the greatest threat to Israel. The Bush family money came partly
> from supporting Nazi Germany.

	How is Obama a product of a Secret Service which is much more
of a limited duty organization than you seem to understand? Perhaps
you refer to the CIA or the FBI which lead to the same question. He
followed a classic route to the Presidency with community action
in Chicago leading to election to the US Senate. I wish he had
aged a bit in the Senate but he had a chance at the nomination
and he took it. Despite the Racism of Moscow Mitch McConnel who
swore that he would make Obama a single term president he was
able as Trump was not to get a second consecutive term.

> 
>>      Clinton played a good saxophone
> 
> Clinton bombed a pharmaceutical factory in Sudan to distract his public
> from seminal stains where they shouldn't have been. Have you read about
> the "boys on the track"? Don't mention Epstein or Les Wexner.

	I said he should have been a professional Saxophone player.
I know who the other two are but they are completely outside
of this discussion as fare as I know.

> 
>>      And it started with Reagan,

> 
> It started with the wealth from financial support for both 'sides' in
> WW2 until making a choice in 1942 when the base of the almost in charge
> ever since ruling Likud political party, Lehi or the Stern Gang, changed
> sides shifting their support of Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy to
> communist Russia after Stern's death.

	Their terrorist activities were not in support of other
nations but in support of taking Palestine and creating an
Zionist state. This was not done until after WW II was settled.

> 
> I have no intention of arguing or debating politics as I believe that in
> a group such as this that it is internecine in the sense of being
> mutually destructive. It is an interesting exercise to summarise ones
> views and you now know my opinions. My principal interest here is
> Fiction and I will certainly read any reply with interest but hopefully
> will not respond. Thank you to those reading this far.

	I do not much care for political debating either but you
refer to things about which I have some knowlege having been born
in 1937 fortunately in the USA before we got into the Wars and
I refer to the War in Europe and the Japanese war in China and
in the Pacific Island nations and against the colonizers of
which we were one more.

	Oh and Have you read Vampire Weekend?

	bliss