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From: The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
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Subject: Re: As the cosmos goes from infinitely hot/dense to infinitely
 cold/sparse . . .
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2024 09:12:13 +0000
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On 27/10/2024 21:34, D wrote:
> 
> 
> On Sun, 27 Oct 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> 
>> On 27/10/2024 05:35, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
>>> On 10/26/24 10:21 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 27 Oct 2024 02:06:21 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "Our whole universe was in a hot dense state..."
>>>>
>>>> As I look around, I see some in this noisegroup who still seem to be in
>>>> that state ...
>>>
>>>    Normally these groups are VERY quiet. But then it's only
>>>    about a week before elections.
>>>
>>>    As for the universe, it USED to be in a 'hot dense state',
>>>    but has cooled-off considerably. If 'dark energy' calx are
>>>    correct we're already on the downside - headed for icy doom.
>>>
>> Well so says the metaphysics of the classical scientific world view.
>>
>> We are surfing a wave of entropy created by the big bang and will all 
>> end up washed up the beach gasping and then die.
>>
>> Of course  the metaphysics of the classical scientific world view is 
>> only a man made theory, when it comes down to it. And can neither be 
>> proven true or false.
>>
> 
> The world actually can be proven true. G.E. Moore did it many decades 
> ago. Here's a hand!

Well no, in any given terms it cant be. At best you end up with 
'something exists, even if its only me thinking something exists'

Moore's logic is flawed. He has to presuppose an external world in which 
a hand can be held up before he can perform the action.

Which is in the limit circular thinking, as if you stop thinking (proper 
transcendental meditation) you and the world both vanish, subjectively.



-- 
“People believe certain stories because everyone important tells them, 
and people tell those stories because everyone important believes them. 
Indeed, when a conventional wisdom is at its fullest strength, one’s 
agreement with that conventional wisdom becomes almost a litmus test of 
one’s suitability to be taken seriously.”

Paul Krugman