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Path: ...!2.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!news.szaf.org!nntp-feed.chiark.greenend.org.uk!ewrotcd!news.eyrie.org!beagle.ediacara.org!.POSTED.beagle.ediacara.org!not-for-mail From: RonO <rokimoto557@gmail.com> Newsgroups: talk.origins Subject: Re: Animal drunks Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2024 10:45:01 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 53 Sender: to%beagle.ediacara.org Approved: moderator@beagle.ediacara.org Message-ID: <vftk9s$274cc$1@dont-email.me> References: <00203485-c4c8-4c1a-ac2d-8bec1936e6b7@gmail.com> Reply-To: rokimoto557@gmail.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: beagle.ediacara.org; posting-host="beagle.ediacara.org:3.132.105.89"; logging-data="51549"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@beagle.ediacara.org" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird To: talk-origins@moderators.isc.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:QRiegpTTN1Li8tJ1ACkb8oL0vAw= Return-Path: <news@eternal-september.org> X-Original-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org Delivered-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org id 681C6229782; Wed, 30 Oct 2024 11:45:08 -0400 (EDT) by beagle.ediacara.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 478D2229765 for <talk-origins@ediacara.org>; Wed, 30 Oct 2024 11:45:06 -0400 (EDT) id CDA4E61116; Wed, 30 Oct 2024 15:45:04 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: talk-origins@moderators.isc.org by mod-relay.zaccari.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9CC5E61115 for <talk-origins@moderators.isc.org>; Wed, 30 Oct 2024 15:45:04 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.11.0 mod-relay.zaccari.net 9CC5E61115 (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature ECDSA (P-256) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.eternal-september.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4EA4F5F709 for <talk-origins@moderators.isc.org>; Wed, 30 Oct 2024 15:45:01 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: name/4EA4F5F709; dmarc=fail (p=none dis=none) header.from=gmail.com id C7B6FDC01A9; Wed, 30 Oct 2024 16:45:00 +0100 (CET) X-Injection-Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2024 16:45:00 +0100 (CET) Content-Language: en-US X-Auth-Sender: U2FsdGVkX1/+OwwdMsNUJHt4ITIWVltEzAz2fdSwTEA= In-Reply-To: <00203485-c4c8-4c1a-ac2d-8bec1936e6b7@gmail.com> FREEMAIL_FORGED_REPLYTO,FREEMAIL_REPLYTO_END_DIGIT, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_BLOCKED,RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_RPBL_BLOCKED, RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_SAFE_BLOCKED,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS,URIBL_BLOCKED, USER_IN_WELCOMELIST,USER_IN_WHITELIST autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.6 smtp.eternal-september.org Bytes: 5473 On 10/30/2024 10:29 AM, erik simpson wrote: > This is probably off-topic, but it may be a consequence of evolution, so > what the hell.. > > https://www.cell.com/trends/ecology-evolution/fulltext/ > S0169-5347(24)00240-4 > > The evolutionary ecology of ethanol > > Highlights > There is growing evidence that ethanol is encountered frequently enough > in the natural world to favour mechanisms enabling its use in multiple > animal lineages. > Since the Cretaceous period, fleshy fruits have provided a sugar-rich > resource for fermentative yeasts and natural ethanol production. As > such, the inclusion of ethanol in animal diets is likely just as ancient. > Moderate ethanol intake is associated with nutritional, medicinal, and > cognitive benefits, but many of these remain understudied for non‐human > species in natural contexts. > This challenges the current belief that modern humans are the only > vertebrate that regularly and uniquely consumes ethanol and leads us to > reconsider ethanol’s ecological role and evolutionary impact in nature. > > Abstract > The consumption of ethanol has frequently been seen as largely > restricted to humans. Here, we take a broad eco-evolutionary approach to > understanding ethanol’s potential impact on the natural world. There is > growing evidence that ethanol is present in many wild fruits, saps, and > nectars and that ethanol ingestion offers benefits that favour > adaptations for its use in multiple taxa. Explanations for ethanol > consumption span both the nutritional and non-nutritional, with > potential medicinal value or cognitive effects (with social–behavioural > benefits) explored. We conclude that ethanol is ecologically relevant > and that it has shaped the evolution of many species and structured > symbiotic relationships among organisms, including plants, yeast, > bacteria, insects, and mammals. > One year the University of Utah biology department ran a population genetic selection experiment during an undergraduate genetics lab. They used a population of flies segregating two alcohol dehydrogenase variants that could be genotyped by electrophoresis enzyme typing. They crossed two strains of Drosophila so they started with a 50:50 ratio of alleles. They raised the flies for several generations on fly media with added ethanol. At the end one allele was obviously taking over the population and was selected for on the ethanol containing medium, but the population raised on normal food was still running around 50:50. Our simian ancestors were frugivores. When I took forestry as an undergraduate we were told that bears routinely got sloshed on the berries that they ate and may have enjoyed doing it. Ron Okimoto