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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder2.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.misc Subject: Re: As the cosmos goes from infinitely hot/dense to infinitely cold/sparse . . . Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2024 22:37:13 +0000 Organization: A little, after lunch Lines: 86 Message-ID: <vfp3mq$16op1$4@dont-email.me> References: <slrnvhnn9i.2ou1.candycanearter07@candydeb.host.invalid> <vfh570$3brp2$2@dont-email.me> <20241025153958.0000222f@gmail.com> <vfhbt5$3d372$2@dont-email.me> <vfhkm0$3i0mb$1@dont-email.me> <lo3dvqFo19fU2@mid.individual.net> <Jeff-Relf.Me@Oct.26--1.25pm.Seattle.2024> <xehTO.203223$WtV9.131792@fx10.iad> <vfk82g$3vb1l$2@dont-email.me> <QJ-cnZteHbigTID6nZ2dnZfqn_UAAAAA@earthlink.com> <vfl4jv$bic6$9@dont-email.me> <1cfe858a-0468-ad08-e261-bcb77b4d4f4c@example.net> <e56cncZww5IxioL6nZ2dnZfqnPednZ2d@earthlink.com> <bcc48df9-c862-bc6d-ed6e-4255079b3fb5@example.net> <Yl6dnVGaD60rnr36nZ2dnZfqnPGdnZ2d@earthlink.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2024 23:37:14 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="7c6466bfaa8c0e1cbe8706a34f544f37"; logging-data="1270561"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18/gMB6cJcDrfpDv6cgRWBZjDEP8mIida8=" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:7+LBsjaYLBdGhOx3sdnA21cZg+M= Content-Language: en-GB In-Reply-To: <Yl6dnVGaD60rnr36nZ2dnZfqnPGdnZ2d@earthlink.com> Bytes: 4706 On 28/10/2024 21:35, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote: > On 10/28/24 6:10 AM, D wrote: >> >> >> On Mon, 28 Oct 2024, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote: >> >>> On 10/27/24 5:34 PM, D wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sun, 27 Oct 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 27/10/2024 05:35, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote: >>>>>> On 10/26/24 10:21 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: >>>>>>> On Sun, 27 Oct 2024 02:06:21 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "Our whole universe was in a hot dense state..." >>>>>>> >>>>>>> As I look around, I see some in this noisegroup who still seem to >>>>>>> be in >>>>>>> that state ... >>>>>> >>>>>> Normally these groups are VERY quiet. But then it's only >>>>>> about a week before elections. >>>>>> >>>>>> As for the universe, it USED to be in a 'hot dense state', >>>>>> but has cooled-off considerably. If 'dark energy' calx are >>>>>> correct we're already on the downside - headed for icy doom. >>>>>> >>>>> Well so says the metaphysics of the classical scientific world view. >>>>> >>>>> We are surfing a wave of entropy created by the big bang and will all >>>>> end up washed up the beach gasping and then die. >>>>> >>>>> Of course the metaphysics of the classical scientific world view is >>>>> only a man made theory, when it comes down to it. And can neither be >>>>> proven true or false. >>>>> >>>> >>>> The world actually can be proven true. G.E. Moore did it many decades >>>> ago. Here's a hand! >>> >>> >>> Even the Buddha said the universe was "real" - just >>> that creatures like US, maybe any, could never really >>> see it's entirety - barely a key-hole view. Our evolution, >>> bodies, senses, brains ... we see things through "Human- >>> Colored Glasses" and that's our kinda faux view of things. >> >> I think this is pretty obvious. I also think it shows that Buddha was >> a wise man! > > If it's obvious, why don't I hear it much ? It doesn't get you to McDonalds any faster. > It represents > a loss of self-determination, a stone wall we can never > penetrate ... forever trapped in our little tiny warped > version of the universe. Well, that's why the Buddhists developed transcendental meditation and Jimi Hendrix took Acid... "I used to live in a hall full of mirrors And all I could see was me". > > Actually, Plato's "Allegory Of The Cave" points to the > same conclusion, he just kinda leaves off the last para - > maybe for political reasons. Plato and Buddha were near- > contemporaries and some ideas may have filtered across > from the east. Anybody who takes time out from a busy life to sit and think through things carefully tends to come to the same conclusion. Kant and especially Schopenhauer started from a completely different place and ended up in the same territory. -- "A point of view can be a dangerous luxury when substituted for insight and understanding". Marshall McLuhan