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From: The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: As the cosmos goes from infinitely hot/dense to infinitely
 cold/sparse . . .
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2024 22:37:13 +0000
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On 28/10/2024 21:35, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
> On 10/28/24 6:10 AM, D wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Mon, 28 Oct 2024, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
>>
>>> On 10/27/24 5:34 PM, D wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, 27 Oct 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 27/10/2024 05:35, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
>>>>>> On 10/26/24 10:21 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sun, 27 Oct 2024 02:06:21 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Our whole universe was in a hot dense state..."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As I look around, I see some in this noisegroup who still seem to 
>>>>>>> be in
>>>>>>> that state ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    Normally these groups are VERY quiet. But then it's only
>>>>>>    about a week before elections.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    As for the universe, it USED to be in a 'hot dense state',
>>>>>>    but has cooled-off considerably. If 'dark energy' calx are
>>>>>>    correct we're already on the downside - headed for icy doom.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Well so says the metaphysics of the classical scientific world view.
>>>>>
>>>>> We are surfing a wave of entropy created by the big bang and will all
>>>>> end up washed up the beach gasping and then die.
>>>>>
>>>>> Of course  the metaphysics of the classical scientific world view is
>>>>> only a man made theory, when it comes down to it. And can neither be
>>>>> proven true or false.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The world actually can be proven true. G.E. Moore did it many decades
>>>> ago. Here's a hand!
>>>
>>>
>>>  Even the Buddha said the universe was "real" - just
>>>  that creatures like US, maybe any, could never really
>>>  see it's entirety - barely a key-hole view. Our evolution,
>>>  bodies, senses, brains ... we see things through "Human-
>>>  Colored Glasses" and that's our kinda faux view of things.
>>
>> I think this is pretty obvious. I also think it shows that Buddha was 
>> a wise man!
> 
>    If it's obvious, why don't I hear it much ?

It doesn't get you to McDonalds any faster.

  > It represents
>    a loss of self-determination, a stone wall we can never
>    penetrate ... forever trapped in our little tiny warped
>    version of the universe.
Well, that's why the Buddhists developed transcendental meditation and 
Jimi Hendrix took Acid...

"I used to live in a hall full of mirrors
And all I could see was me".

> 
>    Actually, Plato's "Allegory Of The Cave" points to the
>    same conclusion, he just kinda leaves off the last para -
>    maybe for political reasons. Plato and Buddha were near-
>    contemporaries and some ideas may have filtered across
>    from the east.

Anybody who takes time out from a busy life to sit and think through 
things carefully tends to come to the same conclusion.

Kant and especially Schopenhauer started from a completely different 
place and ended up in the same territory.


-- 
"A point of view can be a dangerous luxury when substituted for insight 
and understanding".

Marshall McLuhan