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From: Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: Whoops! The Atlantic Makes Trump Look EPIC In Cover Intended as a
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On 10/26/2024 10:31 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
> On Fri, 25 Oct 2024 08:27:59 -0700, Bobbie Sellers
> <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 10/25/24 06:45, Chris Buckley wrote:
>>> On 2024-10-25, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 24 Oct 2024, The Horny Goat wrote:
>>>>> I'm from BC (Canada) and had our provincial election Saturday. I voted
>>>>> in the advance poll at our local recreation center which is about 2-3
>>>>> miles from home and fairly close to my favorite grocery store. Can't
>>>>> recall whether I voted first shopped after or vice versa but it was
>>>>> the same trip away from home. My candidate didn't win but that's not
>>>>> the point - far better to have voted and lost than not to have voted
>>>>> at all.
>>>>>
>>>> I disagree. If there is no candidate that represents my view, I would be
>>>> doing democracy a disservice by voting. By not voting, I send a clear
>>>> signal that the current politicians are of low quality and/or incompetent,
>>>> and that they in no way deserve me participating in the system.
>>>
>>> I very strongly disagree. Voting is critical; at a minimum we must
>>> distinguish our distaste for current candidates from the apathetic not
>>> caring about the issue. Vote for the candidate you agree with most; if
>>> there actually are none, then write-in "Mickey Mouse" or "Hatsune
>>> Miku" if you're somewhat younger. That sends a clear signal; not
>>> voting sends nothing at all in the US (it does send a signal in those
>>> countries with mandatory voting.) You are not going to find a
>>> candidate that represents your view 100% unless you're the candidate
>>> yourself.
>>>
>>> This is now the third Presidential election in a row that I can't vote
>>> for either major party candidate - in the previous 40 years it only
>>> happened once. Times are changing. But the need to vote is still there.
>>>
>>>> In additiona, democracy is a violent act, since it represents you, through
>>>> the possible force of the majority, imposing your will on others, by the
>>>> threat of violence if they do not comply. This is unethical.
>>>>
>>>> Pacifists and libertarians can, due to their ethics and political beliefs,
>>>> not vote in democratic elections and remain consistent with their moral
>>>> positions.
>>>
>>> D, I would not have thought that you were that much a proponent of
>>> today's cancel culture. The modern notion that if you object strongly
>>> to one belief of a person or group/party you must completely disassociate
>>> yourself from that person or group, is tearing apart our society.  We're
>>> unable to discuss or even recognize the good qualities of that person/group.
>>>
>>> There's no reason for pacifists and libertarians not to participate in
>>> a democracy despite their disagreement about what some of what a
>>> government should do. That's cancel culture.  Would you really not
>>> vote for someone like Chase Oliver (Libertarian Party candidate)
>>> because of that, D?  Just about the only group who philosophically
>>> should not vote are the anarchists.
>>>
>>> As they say "Democracy sucks; it just sucks less than the alternatives."
>>>
>>> Chris
>>>
>>
>> 	All American Anarchists should always vote for the most competent
>> candidate.  We should do that because as bad as
>> government is it is far better constrained by even imperfect
>> basic law than by men acting on whims and without information.
>> 	 We see in nations where Government has collapsed and
>> anarchy prevales that misery excalates. We see in nations
>> ruled by dictatorships of the Left or of the Right that misery
>> ensues. So goverment by the Constitution is better but certain
>> branches of the Government have resigned their proper functions
>> and allowed one or more other branches to improperly
>> execute the duty of other branches. One branch has the duty
>> of comparing non-basic law to the basic law for conflict
>> but the so called justices have dragged the common law of
>> superstitious monarchies into the case. They presume to
>> place their interpretation of religion against modern science
>> and in addition prominent members have accepted large gifts
>>from parties who have interests in the presented cases.
> 
> An excellent summary of our current situation. Just two quibbles and
> an observation:
> 
> 1. Freedom of religion and a prohibition on a State Church (which
> would include Science acting as a religion, BTW) /are/ part of the
> basic law (the Constitution, as amended).
> 
> 2. The concept that human life begins at conception /is/ modern
> science; they are merely drawing the inevitable consequences from this
> belief. It is truly amazing that so many anti-modernist Christians
> ("Evangelicals") have adopted the /scientific/ viewpoint and abandoned
> the historical Christian viewpoint (that human life begins when the
> child draws breath independently of the mother. And, yes, spending
> time on a respirator for a while /does/ count.)
> 
> 3. Abortion has been discouraged for a long long time. The Hippocratic
> Oath, from 3 or 4 centuries BC, includes a pledge by doctors not to
> provide a drug to induce one. But this was because they believed the
> fetus to be a human being (except potentially); it was because they
> believed it to be the property of the father. Abortion was regarded as
> a form of property theft. Keep in mind that the mother was also,
> unless hanky-panky was involved, the property of the father.

I am confused.  So are you saying that my wife could have been killed at 
birth in 1958 since she was born three weeks late and had hyaline 
membrane disease ?  The USA Army doctor in Camp Jama, Japan built a 
hodgepodge oxygenated incubator for her in which she lived for six weeks 
until her body absorbed the hyaline membrane and was able to breath 
normal air.

Lynn