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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder2.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> Newsgroups: sci.electronics.design Subject: Re: AF Osc AGC alternatives to lamp/thermistor/FET Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2024 16:11:48 +1100 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 46 Message-ID: <vfpqqp$1ec4r$1@dont-email.me> References: <vf2vp7$e446$1@dont-email.me> <1r1u1w0.rds7021l5mzi8N%liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid> <nnd$053ba5d4$221186af@76c01968f9d33efd> <vfj4oj$3pk6d$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2024 06:11:54 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="860bc300394497b24f9073293b13d63b"; logging-data="1519771"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18c9bg6b3WCvB9zRrFus9XjPDqFAG8wR+Q=" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:ifDY9qFGcwQD7UL/WkKMkWkVDCA= X-Antivirus: Norton (VPS 241028-6, 29/10/2024), Outbound message Content-Language: en-US X-Antivirus-Status: Clean In-Reply-To: <vfj4oj$3pk6d$1@dont-email.me> Bytes: 3094 On 27/10/2024 3:18 am, Cursitor Doom wrote: > On Tue, 22 Oct 2024 16:35:38 +0200, Arie de Muijnck wrote: > >> On 2024-10-22 15:11, Liz Tuddenham wrote: >>> piglet <erichpwagner@hotmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Yesterday in the thread "Random thoughts on sinewave oscillators" I >>>> posted a LT Spice wirelist showing amplitude levelling without fet, >>>> ntc thermistor or ptc filament instead using current steering long >>>> tail pair - kinda poor mans multiplier. >>> >>> How about using a lamp as the gain-controlling element at a low signal >>> level, so it doesn't self-heat, then heating it with superimposed D.C. >>> from some sort of voltage comparator/rectifier which is separate from >>> the signal path ? >>> >>> It might have to be in some sort of bridge circuit, so that any noise >>> on the heating current doesn't appear in the signal. >>> >> How about the 'good old' lamp (LED) + LDR method? >> But I cannot find any linearity data of the LDR resistance itself (at >> constant illumination), important for harmonic distortion. >> Most searches end up in the audiophoolery corner. > > Optocoupler? There might be more detailed manufacturer data available for > an appropriate device. The photoFet seems like the obvious candidate. The FET channel seems to be a pretty good resistor at low voltage drops though it moves towards being a constant current limiter as you pit more volts across it. https://www.onsemi.com/pdf/datasheet/h11f3m-d.pdf https://au.element14.com/on-semiconductor/h11aa1m/opto-cplr-phototransistor-7-5kv/dp/2322524 https://www.digikey.com.au/en/products/detail/onsemi/H11F1SM/1793946 There doesn't seem to be an LTSpice model for the part. A google search throws up tantalising hints, but nothiog that lead to a model that I could download. -- Bill Sloman, Sydney