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On 10/29/2024 2:57 AM, Mikko wrote:
> On 2024-10-29 00:57:30 +0000, olcott said:
> 
>> On 10/28/2024 6:56 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>> On 10/28/24 11:04 AM, olcott wrote:
>>>> On 10/28/2024 6:16 AM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>> The machine being used to compute the Halting Function has taken a 
>>>>> finite string description, the Halting Function itself always took 
>>>>> a Turing Machine,
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> That is incorrect. It has always been the finite string Turing Machine
>>>> description of a Turing machine is the input to the halt decider.
>>>> There are always been a distinction between the abstraction and the
>>>> encoding.
>>>
>>> Nope, read the problem you have quoted in the past.
>>>
>>
>> Ultimately I trust Linz the most on this:
>>
>> the problem is: given the description of a Turing machine
>> M and an input w, does M, when started in the initial
>> configuration qow, perform a computation that eventually halts?
>> https://www.liarparadox.org/Peter_Linz_HP_317-320.pdf
>>
>> Ĥ.q0 ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⊢* embedded_H ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⊢* Ĥ.qy ∞
>> Ĥ.q0 ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⊢* embedded_H ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⊢* Ĥ.qn
>>
>> Linz also makes sure to ignore that the behavior of ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⟨Ĥ⟩
>> correctly simulated by embedded_H cannot possibly reach
>> either ⟨Ĥ.qy⟩ or ⟨Ĥ.qn⟩ because like everyone else he rejects
>> simulation out of hand:
>>
>> We cannot find the answer by simulating the action of M on w,
>> say by performing it on a universal Turing machine, because
>> there is no limit on the length of the computation.
> 
> That statement does not fully reject simulation but is correct in
> the observation that non-halting cannot be determied in finite time
> by a complete simulation so someting else is needed instead of or
> in addition to a partial simulation. Linz does include simulationg
> Turing machines in his proof that no Turing machine is a halt decider.
> 

To the best of my knowledge no one besides me ever came up with the
idea of making a simulating halt decider / emulating termination
analyzer.

Every sufficiently competent and honest person agrees that I am correct.
Insufficiently competent or dishonest people can not show any actual
error in my work. They generally incorrectly paraphrase my work and then
form a rebuttal to the incorrect paraphrase. This is known as the
strawman deception.

All of the rebuttals of my HHH/DDD have disagreeing with the semantics
of the x86 language as their basis. The may not be sufficiently
competent in the x86 language to see this.


https://chatgpt.com/share/67158ec6-3398-8011-98d1-41198baa29f2

When you click on the link and try to explain how HHH must
be wrong when it reports that DDD does not terminate because
DDD does terminate ChatGPT will explain your mistake to you.



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