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Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2024 14:56:33 -0700
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On 10/29/24 13:53, Scott Dorsey wrote:
> Scott Lurndal <slp53@pacbell.net> wrote:
>> Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:
>>> On 10/28/2024 9:59 AM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Anyone who has done a honest study on illegal immigration in the US has
>>>> concluded that the American economy is DEPENDENT on the labor of
>>>> illegals.  Our economy would crash without them.
> 
> This is likely true.  The food service and agricultural industries depend on
> low-wage labour and much of that has been provided by immigrants willing to
> take low-wage low-skill jobs.  When immigration started to go wrong in the
> eighties and it became impossible for people to legally immigrate to do this
> work, it began to be done by illegal immigrants.
	
	During WW II American Citizens did the work alongside the
braceros.

> 
> Traditionally there were a lot of people from Mexico who came to the US to
> work the fields during harvest time, and who moved back to Mexico after
> the season was over.  That was disrupted long ago.
> 
> People on the right hand side of the aisle will claim that citizens would be
> taking these jobs if there were not illegal immigrants to fill them.  But the
> fact that in spite of all attempts to restrict immigration, citizens still
> refuse to take these jobs, indicate that this is not the case.

	Well these jobs are physically stressful, involve exposure to toxic 
agricultural chemicals and are incredibly low paid.

> 
>>> Nice try, nope.  Illegal immigrants allow employers to cut the salaries
>>> of legal USA citizens.  I have seen it done many times in the
>>> engineering industry, especially software engineering.
>>
>> There are very few, if any, illegal immigrants in the software engineering
>> field.  There are a lot of legal immigrants in the software
>> engineering field, and federal law requires they be paid
>> the same as domestic engineers.
> 
> This is referring to a different and just as severe immigration problem.  The
> US has a system called the H1-B visa which exists in order to allow experts
> in their field to come to America for work.  This is for people who really
> are experts, people who can't be replaced by American citizens because there
> are so few people in the world able to do their job.  When it was set up it
> was a good system.
> 
> However, this system has been hijacked by a number of large companies which
> have figured out how to game the system and which are using H1-Bs to bring
> in moderately-skilled technical people and hold them hostage with the threat
> of removing their visa.  This has caused a total disaster in the software
> engineering field.  These people ARE legal immigrants, but if the system was
> not broken, they would not be.  What is worse, because large companies with
> huge legal departments are stuffing the box as soon as slots open up, people
> who really are experts, the people for whom the system was intended, are
> unable to get the visas that Congress intended for them.

	Not legal immigrants but legal residents in a Nation that is more 
expensive to live in every day.

> 
> The immigration system is broken, and it needs people on both the left and
> the right to be able to sit down and fix it.  Unfortunately there is a small
> minority on the right which has found it is to their political advantage for
> the system to remain broken and which is doing as much as possible to keep
> it broken.  A solution is possible and it does not involve building a wall.
> --scott

	Yes and they follow their leader in rejecting the solutions
proffered in legislation because they want to exploit the issue of
immigration in their election campaigns.

	bliss - who went with her mom to the apricot drying sheds where
mom worked with the sharp tools to make whole apricots into halves.