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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder2.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: =?UTF-8?Q?Arne_Vajh=C3=B8j?= <arne@vajhoej.dk> Newsgroups: comp.os.vms Subject: Re: Why are VSI so focused on Sweden ? Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2024 19:36:48 -0400 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 39 Message-ID: <vfrrig$1ob3k$2@dont-email.me> References: <vfo35g$10mqu$1@dont-email.me> <vfo4g7$10qgo$1@dont-email.me> <vfomi9$148pm$1@dont-email.me> <vfonfk$13qfm$1@dont-email.me> <bde9f4b426d6105c73c72454233a2e25872c36f5.camel@munted.eu> <vfp0iq$10cio$1@dont-email.me> <vfp5d4$172gt$1@dont-email.me> <vfqmui$1ifv6$1@dont-email.me> <vfqqm4$1fo91$1@dont-email.me> <vfrhci$1n56m$2@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2024 00:36:49 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="736d03417fa421b4bbdfecce13e694e9"; logging-data="1846388"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18/TevHcOfhVynKqnj5+BUVjgH54wSdV3M=" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:shWtQ+IA/dJgSZKrfoQte+IIoNY= In-Reply-To: <vfrhci$1n56m$2@dont-email.me> Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 2619 On 10/29/2024 4:42 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: > On Tue, 29 Oct 2024 14:15:32 +0000, David Wade wrote: >> [“Reveal codes” is] difficult to do sensibly. Often the codes are >> inherited through cascading styles, or by marking blocks of text, so >> there isn't a direct mapping between the formatting of the display, and >> the embedded charaters.. > > The only reason WordPerfect needed that feature was because it used > embedded formatting codes, which other word processors do not. So they > have no “codes” to “reveal”. All word processors embed formatting codes. That is sort of the definition. editor : enter text word processor : enter text and formatting codes Various runoff flavors, Tex/Latex, WP, old MSO binary format, ODF, OOXML all use formatting codes of some sort. The difference is the UI. Writing Latex in EVE only support codes - no WYSIWYG. MSO or LO only support WYSIWYG - no codes. WP supported both semi-WYSIWYG (best possible on VT terminal) and codes. A lot of people liked that feature. Whether it is practical to implement that feature today is an open question. I believe both ODF and OOXML use references, so that first a number of styles are defined and then later the actual text just refer to styles. Arne