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Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!news.nk.ca!rocksolid2!i2pn2.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: The philosophy of computation reformulates existing ideas on a new basis --- Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2024 21:17:35 -0400 Organization: i2pn2 (i2pn.org) Message-ID: <vfs1ff$2ci0$4@i2pn2.org> References: <vfli1h$fj8s$1@dont-email.me> <vflue8$3nvp8$2@i2pn2.org> <vfmd8m$k2m7$1@dont-email.me> <bcd82d9f8a987d3884220c0df7b8f7204cb9de3e@i2pn2.org> <vfmueh$mqn9$1@dont-email.me> <ff039b922cabbb6d44f90aa71a52d8c2f446b6ab@i2pn2.org> <vfo95k$11qs1$1@dont-email.me> <vfp8c0$3tobi$2@i2pn2.org> <vfpbtq$1837o$2@dont-email.me> <vfq4h9$1fo1n$1@dont-email.me> <vfqpi3$1iaob$4@dont-email.me> <vfqsng$1gikg$1@dont-email.me> <vfqt7a$1jg6i$3@dont-email.me> <vfqucl$3v4c4$13@i2pn2.org> <vfqvkd$1k5er$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2024 01:17:36 -0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: i2pn2.org; logging-data="78400"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@i2pn2.org" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <vfqvkd$1k5er$1@dont-email.me> Bytes: 3156 Lines: 43 On 10/29/24 11:39 AM, olcott wrote: > On 10/29/2024 10:18 AM, joes wrote: >> Am Tue, 29 Oct 2024 09:58:50 -0500 schrieb olcott: >>> On 10/29/2024 9:50 AM, Andy Walker wrote: >>>> On 29/10/2024 13:56, olcott wrote: >>>>> To the best of my knowledge no one besides me ever came up with the >>>>> idea of making a simulating halt decider / emulating termination >>>>> analyzer. >>>> The /idea/ is ancient, and certainly dates back at least to >>>> the >>>> 1970s. For a relatively informal discussion, see paragraph 3 of >>>> http://www.cuboid.me.uk/anw/G12FCO/lect18.html >>>> >>> The word "simulate" or "UTM" or "interpret" was not there. >>> Let me know what keyword to search for I have to prepare my house for my >>> cancer treatment. >> The key word is "see". Oh wait, that's "emulate", which you haven't >> explained the relevant difference from simulation of. Please keep >> us posted about your health. >> > > The good news about my health is that I will probably > not be dead very soon. > > An x86 emulation has a 100% perfectly exact standard > such that anyone disagreeing is unequivocally wrong. > A simulation is much more vague. Right, assuming it is a COMPLETE x86 emulation, which HHH doesn't do. What do you consider the difference between "emulation" and "simulation"? > >>>> intended for second-year undergraduates and present on the web from >>>> 1996 [though then as a Nottingham University web page]. I certainly >>>> didn't invent the idea. The same page includes some stuff about Busy >>>> Beavers. >>>> You, and perhaps others, may also find some of the surrounding pages >>>> [linked from that one] interesting, eg the stuff about UTMs and about >>>> minimal computers. Again, I am not claiming credit for inventing any >>>> of this. > >