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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder2.eternal-september.org!i2pn.org!i2pn2.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: The philosophy of computation reformulates existing ideas on a new basis --- Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2024 21:17:38 -0400 Organization: i2pn2 (i2pn.org) Message-ID: <vfs1fi$2ci0$6@i2pn2.org> References: <veoift$29dtl$2@dont-email.me> <veoq3j$2aqp2$1@dont-email.me> <vf716u$1607j$1@dont-email.me> <vf7ks8$1d1vt$1@dont-email.me> <vf8eu5$1h5mj$2@dont-email.me> <vfdk8g$2lgl1$1@dont-email.me> <vfdrb8$2mcdg$1@dont-email.me> <vffk1i$33iat$1@dont-email.me> <vfgaev$36im7$5@dont-email.me> <vfi743$3kr1e$1@dont-email.me> <vfip3l$3ner2$2@dont-email.me> <1bc1ab08ec47bf818ddff1d4f63b542ceadd6985@i2pn2.org> <vfjokd$3su2f$1@dont-email.me> <vfk3jl$3kr0c$5@i2pn2.org> <vfk4lk$3ukdm$1@dont-email.me> <vfl8o9$3mnmt$5@i2pn2.org> <vfli1h$fj8s$1@dont-email.me> <vflue8$3nvp8$2@i2pn2.org> <vfmd8m$k2m7$1@dont-email.me> <bcd82d9f8a987d3884220c0df7b8f7204cb9de3e@i2pn2.org> <vfmueh$mqn9$1@dont-email.me> <ff039b922cabbb6d44f90aa71a52d8c2f446b6ab@i2pn2.org> <vfo95k$11qs1$1@dont-email.me> <vfp8c0$3tobi$2@i2pn2.org> <vfpcko$1837o$3@dont-email.me> <vfpish$3u885$2@i2pn2.org> <vfpjk2$1976k$1@dont-email.me> <vfq79h$3v4c4$6@i2pn2.org> <vfqnbd$1iaob$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2024 01:17:38 -0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: i2pn2.org; logging-data="78400"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@i2pn2.org" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <vfqnbd$1iaob$1@dont-email.me> Bytes: 3009 Lines: 28 On 10/29/24 9:18 AM, olcott wrote: > On 10/29/2024 3:44 AM, joes wrote: >> Am Mon, 28 Oct 2024 22:08:50 -0500 schrieb olcott: >>> On 10/28/2024 9:56 PM, Richard Damon wrote: >>>> On 10/28/24 9:09 PM, olcott wrote: >>>>> On 10/28/2024 6:56 PM, Richard Damon wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> It is IMPOSSIBLE to emulate DDD per the x86 semantics without the >>>>>> code for HHH, so it needs to be part of the input. >>>>> At machine address 0000217a HHH emulates itself emulating DDD without >>>>> knowing that it is emulating itself. >>>> Then how did it convert the call HHH into an emulation of DDD again? >>> When HHH (unknowingly) emulates itself emulating DDD this emulated HHH >>> is going to freaking emulate DDD. > >> Of course. For that it needs its own code. This doesn't need to be >> marked specially as being itself (HHH is not conscious), it just >> needs to be identical to the running code. >> > > I have provided that at the type of page 21 for a long time now. > https://www.liarparadox.org/HHH(DDD).pdf > > But it wasn't part of the the *INPUT* and thus your claim to be working with a description of the program is just proven to be a LIE. You just don't know what a program actually is in the field.