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From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: The philosophy of computation reformulates existing ideas on a
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Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2024 07:28:35 -0500
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On 10/30/2024 6:19 AM, Richard Damon wrote:
> On 10/29/24 9:41 PM, olcott wrote:
>> On 10/29/2024 8:17 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>> On 10/29/24 10:41 AM, olcott wrote:
>>>> On 10/29/2024 5:50 AM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>> On 10/28/24 11:08 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>> On 10/28/2024 9:56 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>> On 10/28/24 9:09 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 10/28/2024 6:56 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It is IMPOSSIBLE to emulate DDD per the x86 semantics without 
>>>>>>>>> the code for HHH, so it needs to be part of the input.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *You seemed to be a totally Jackass here*
>>>>>>>> You are not that stupid
>>>>>>>> You are not that ignorant
>>>>>>>> and this is not your ADD
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> _DDD()
>>>>>>>> [00002172] 55         push ebp      ; housekeeping
>>>>>>>> [00002173] 8bec       mov ebp,esp   ; housekeeping
>>>>>>>> [00002175] 6872210000 push 00002172 ; push DDD
>>>>>>>> [0000217a] e853f4ffff call 000015d2 ; call HHH(DDD)
>>>>>>>> [0000217f] 83c404     add esp,+04
>>>>>>>> [00002182] 5d         pop ebp
>>>>>>>> [00002183] c3         ret
>>>>>>>> Size in bytes:(0018) [00002183]
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> At machine address 0000217a HHH emulates itself emulating
>>>>>>>> DDD without knowing that it is emulating itself.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Then how did it convert the call HHH into an emulation of DDD again?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When HHH (unknowingly) emulates itself emulating DDD this
>>>>>> emulated HHH is going to freaking emulate DDD.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Did you think it was going to play poker?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Which is what it would do, get stuck and fail to be a decider. It 
>>>>> might figure out that it is emulating an emulating decider, at 
>>>>> which point it knows that the decider might choose to abort its 
>>>>> conditional emulation to return, so it needs to emulate further.
>>>>>
>>>>> Only by recognizing itself, does it have grounds to say that if I 
>>>>> don't abort, it never will, and thus I am stuck, so I need to abort.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Counter-factual. This algorithm has no ability to its own code.
>>>> https://github.com/plolcott/x86utm/blob/master/Halt7.c // page 801
>>>>
>>>> *That people fail to agree with this and also fail to*
>>>> *correctly point out any error seems to indicate dishonestly*
>>>> *or lack of technical competence*
>>>>
>>>> DDD emulated by HHH according to the semantics of the x86
>>>> language cannot possibly reach its own "return" instruction
>>>> whether or not any HHH ever aborts its emulation of DDD.
>>>>
>>>
>>> No, it knows its own code because it rule for "No conditional 
>>> branches" excludes that code.
>>>
>>
>> Are you really so stupid that you think this will help
>> DDD reach its own return instruction?
> 
> DDD doesn't need any help to reach its own return instruction, as the 
> HHH that it calls DOES abort and return to it.
> 

Are you really so stupid that you think you can keep getting
away with the strawman deception by changing the subject away
from DDD emulated by HHH?

-- 
Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius
hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer