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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder2.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.theory,comp.ai.philosophy Subject: Re: The philosophy of computation reformulates existing ideas on a new basis --- Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2024 07:38:22 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 64 Message-ID: <vft9bu$25aio$8@dont-email.me> References: <vfli1h$fj8s$1@dont-email.me> <vflue8$3nvp8$2@i2pn2.org> <vfmd8m$k2m7$1@dont-email.me> <bcd82d9f8a987d3884220c0df7b8f7204cb9de3e@i2pn2.org> <vfmueh$mqn9$1@dont-email.me> <ff039b922cabbb6d44f90aa71a52d8c2f446b6ab@i2pn2.org> <vfo95k$11qs1$1@dont-email.me> <vfp8c0$3tobi$2@i2pn2.org> <vfpbtq$1837o$2@dont-email.me> <vfq4h9$1fo1n$1@dont-email.me> <vfqpi3$1iaob$4@dont-email.me> <vfqsng$1gikg$1@dont-email.me> <vfsadf$1urkc$1@dont-email.me> <vfsbjp$1v0d6$1@dont-email.me> <vft4op$44tc$4@i2pn2.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2024 13:38:22 +0100 (CET) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="2dbd9b6f7d5f1796d3ffd574bf3f0b27"; logging-data="2271832"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX190UiJAjCoKd8mx866VpvIa" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:uT4vhzIhrnrU2icqxHb/sVLGUhg= Content-Language: en-US X-Antivirus-Status: Clean In-Reply-To: <vft4op$44tc$4@i2pn2.org> X-Antivirus: Norton (VPS 241030-2, 10/30/2024), Outbound message Bytes: 4463 On 10/30/2024 6:19 AM, Richard Damon wrote: > On 10/30/24 12:10 AM, olcott wrote: >> On 10/29/2024 10:50 PM, Jeff Barnett wrote: >>> On 10/29/2024 8:50 AM, Andy Walker wrote: >>>> On 29/10/2024 13:56, olcott wrote: >>>>> To the best of my knowledge no one besides me ever came up with the >>>>> idea of making a simulating halt decider / emulating termination >>>>> analyzer. >>>> >>>> The /idea/ is ancient, and certainly dates back at least to the >>>> 1970s. For a relatively informal discussion, see paragraph 3 of >>>> >>>> http://www.cuboid.me.uk/anw/G12FCO/lect18.html >>>> >>>> intended for second-year undergraduates and present on the web from >>>> 1996 >>>> [though then as a Nottingham University web page]. I certainly didn't >>>> invent the idea. The same page includes some stuff about Busy Beavers. >>>> You, and perhaps others, may also find some of the surrounding pages >>>> [linked from that one] interesting, eg the stuff about UTMs and about >>>> minimal computers. Again, I am not claiming credit for inventing any >>>> of this. >>> >>> You may have noticed that the moron responded to your message in less >>> than 10 minutes. Do you think he read the material before responding? >>> A good troll would have waited a few hours before answering. >> >> Announced how I reviewed it and Richard correctly corrected me. >> It is still wrong, but for a different reason. It rejects the >> self-evident truth of this idea: > > > Which just proves that you thnk LYING is ok, and that you regularly LIE > in what you say, > >> >> <MIT Professor Sipser agreed to ONLY these verbatim words 10/13/2022> >> If simulating halt decider H correctly simulates its input D >> until H correctly determines that its simulated D would never >> stop running unless aborted then >> >> H can abort its simulation of D and correctly report that D >> specifies a non-halting sequence of configurations. >> </MIT Professor Sipser agreed to ONLY these verbatim words 10/13/2022> >> > > Which means that if H can determine that a CORRECTLY (which to Professr > Sipser means completely) Simulation of THIS input would not halt. > No stupid he says that he does not mean that. simulates its input D until H correctly determines simulates its input D until H correctly determines simulates its input D until H correctly determines simulates its input D until H correctly determines until does not mean forever, how stupid can you get? until does not mean forever, how stupid can you get? until does not mean forever, how stupid can you get? until does not mean forever, how stupid can you get? -- Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer